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Re: Mil-Spec engine wiring harness


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160604 posted 02/19/14 06:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This is an interesting thread to bring up. There is now a source for a lot of the previously hard to find underhood connectors. CAS, TPS, coils, MAF, ignitor, etc.

I don't know if I'd spend the money on tefzel, especially not if I was only going to do it in a few colors. You can get GXL or TXL spec wiring much cheaper, it is what the OEMs are using currently in many applications. It is a good wire(except the 20 AWG, it can be good or junk). Get a bunch of colors, or better yet, get it striped so you can follow the OEM wire colors. That will make it much easier in the long run, to have a harness that matches the OEM schematics.

And some wires that are shielded like knock sensors, you should probably not use tefzel or gxl for those.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160712 posted 02/20/14 02:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Honda guys have nothing else better to do? >> click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160753 posted 02/20/14 11:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Boostdtalon:

Haha sure thing! As long as it's carbon fiber infused with titanium wiring.....









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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160778 posted 02/21/14 09:24 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

I didn't expect it to be so expensive




That's just the thing, it's not for posers.


... it will cost more than the average vr4 roller in materials alone to build a true "mil spec" harness .

... and that doesn't include the tooling and the time of someone who knows how to properly use it!

serious money!


I've done a lot of this stuff over the years.

I have the tooling.

... all of it

I did extensive work on harnesses in aviation early in my career, and have gone on to build a lot of harnesses for crate motor swaps into vintage tin, so I have a *bit* of hands on experience on what it takes to do this task properly.

I have, (or can get) every aviation grade piece you would need (it's good to have friends in the business! )

So, yeah, I can do anything your wallet can support.



For the .01% of the board who could actually benefit from a "mil-spec" harness, I'll build you one.

... satisfaction gaurandamnteed

With the caveat that a substantial deposit will be required

It's worth noting that the aviation grade tooling / supplies I have invested in cost serious money (coulda bought a fuckin evo for what I have invested in my wire tooling / supplies)

... that's the price you pay for doing things "mil-spec"


Building harnesses for the automotive crowd has taught me the difference between "need" and "want"


I have learned to explain the cost downsides, as well as the field servicablilty of "mil-spec" harnesses to prospective customers to scare off the posers.

... and 99.99% of the folks who want one will run once they know the true costs and downsides to a custom harness, especially one that requires special tooling to service in the field.


I can build sensible harnesses for a lot less,

... and they are field serviceable with common tooling.








It's worth noting for everybody that's interested in building a sensible harness, (or properly repairing what they have) there are other options.

If you can put up with some long posts (even for me! ) I will be documenting how to build a sensible harness with brand new connectors/ terminals available from a rock solid vendor over the next few weeks when I finish my present project.






There's better options available for sensible folks.

Stay tuned

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160788 posted 02/21/14 11:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

Honda guys have nothing else better to do? >> click




Lot's of posers here i guess click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160795 posted 02/21/14 12:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did you just quote yourself?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160821 posted 02/21/14 03:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lol, in that link. The motor with the green vc. I would pay to have a harness built like that. With the labels and everything. I'm sure it's cheaper than me buying all the tools and doing it myself. I smell a group buy from one of these mil spec companies already making them for other platforms.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160833 posted 02/21/14 03:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      

There have been a bunch of these companies talking about doing one in the past few years for DSMs. I've even supplied some with hard to find parts to assist the build. I still haven't seen one get finished.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't see any of the other companies wanting to do it when there are so many bigger volume markets to get into. It'd almost need to be a DSM guy who has an interest in it, since the low volume will make it unattractive to a real business.

Have any of you guys seen this link?
click

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160836 posted 02/21/14 04:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You're joking right?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160838 posted 02/21/14 04:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There have been several of the mil spec Honda harness shops start to build one for DSMs, but never get into production, not joking about that at all.

You're best bet to get one would be a person like toybreaker, who is doing specifically these cars because he has an interest in them.

But if you think a group buy from a Honda parts shop will get you one, give it a shot.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160864 posted 02/21/14 06:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I was referring to the link you posted that was already posted twice in this thread.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160867 posted 02/21/14 07:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Boostdtalon:









Felt like this was needed again. Lol

I like the idea of a clean well put together harness. It doesn't have to use canon plugs. I'd be fine with a OEM harness that has new shielding and the idea of labeling the plugs is a good idea. I used to install wiring harnesses on locomotives that were pre labeled. It definitely made it easier when I did the installs.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160889 posted 02/21/14 10:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

I was referring to the link you posted that was already posted twice in this thread.




I guess I missed those posts, who posted it? And why didn't you complain about the person who posted it a second time?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160919 posted 02/22/14 09:33 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

Quoting G:

Honda guys have nothing else better to do? >> click




Lot's of posers here i guess click




Interesting link, some nice machines there.



... it does go to show you that there's a time and a place for everything



When every other detail of your machine is handled, a little gilding of the lillies won't hurt a damn thing.

... but, when you've got a typical machine that has wheel bearings / driveshaft carrier bearings / bushings / and other sub-systems that need attention, well, yeah, spending a couple of k bux on tucking wires into non field serviceable configurations seems kinda silly to me.



The biggest downside to all this whiz bang wiring shite is that nobody but the man who does the job knows what's inside the pretty little tubes.

I've seen some really poor craftmenship hidden under those covers, and when you get right down to it, what's more important ...

form or function?



I quoted a full on harness for a similar platform awhile back for a good man (and a good friend).

Charging my cost on the materials, and working for half my normal wage, it still came out a $ubstantial sum of money



All this time/effort/cost for a fucking wiring harness?

silly


... for reference, it was more than purchasing every part you need to optimise the entire chassis of one of these cars. (and that's utilizing the cool guy hook up locally and the fine folks at JNZ for the o.e. stuff)

... I know, I just went thru a clean, high mileage vr4 this summer


Optimising one of these cars is not cheap.

If it wasn't for Paul and Josh at JNZ, I probably woudn't even make the effort, but since they can get all the goodies, it's still possible to make minty cars.



The wiring harness on high mileage vr4's almost always needs attention.

Crunchy, broken wires / damaged connectors, we've all got the same problems.

... these are twenty year old harnesses in toasty engine compartments, after all.

Add in maintainance, engine / transmission changes and the like, and well, all the harnesses I've ever seen need at least some love



There is now a source for most of the stuff you will need to properly return one to service.

... new connector housings, terminals , seals

... the whole shitaree

He has them available as raw components as well as pigtails that can be spliced into what you have.

cool shit for the diy crowd.

He doesn't make shit for $$ on them, not compared to the effort it has taken to track the stuff down and purchase the components.

He does it because cars are his passion

... and he knows that many fine machines never reach their potential because of wiring gremlins.


I've got a couple of his connector kits on the way, and I'll do a thread on "my take" on how to return a weary vr4 harness to service.

*might* dissapoint some of you that want all the whizbang shite, but for those that want to do it themselves with relatively common tooling, it may be helpfull.




I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread of gilded lillies



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160983 posted 02/23/14 01:47 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting bradrs:

Quoting G:

I was referring to the link you posted that was already posted twice in this thread.




I guess I missed those posts, who posted it? And why didn't you complain about the person who posted it a second time?







Scroll up and you will see that G was the one that posted the link the first time then quoted himself posting it as he posted it a second time.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160984 posted 02/23/14 01:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Exactly why I couldn't believe it, I posted it twice and the cat still didn't see it.



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Edited by G (02/23/14 01:49 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160985 posted 02/23/14 03:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lmao...so much win.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1161012 posted 02/23/14 12:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting bradrs:


Have any of you guys seen this link?
click





This thread has some good stuff in it too! click

If you can't find what you are looking for in that link, check this one out:

click


I was trying to help G out by posting the link for him so he didn't have to post it a 3rd time.

Glad to see that this is more interesting to the people than the actual topic of the thread.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215694 posted 09/01/15 07:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, looks like someone finally pulled this off. Looks pretty decent, but the price tag definitely comes with the work. Thoughts?
click



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Edited by GSTwithPSI (09/01/15 07:37 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215696 posted 09/01/15 07:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Mil-spec? Must be legit!
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215698 posted 09/01/15 08:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I want you to know brett i could build this for free for you .... but you are a douche



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215699 posted 09/01/15 08:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lol. Typical boot stealing parts from the shop. No thanks, brah



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215717 posted 09/02/15 12:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting GSTwithPSI:

Well, looks like someone finally pulled this off. Looks pretty decent, but the price tag definitely comes with the work. Thoughts?
click




When he first started posting on Tuners a few months ago, he was advertising parts with the wrong wire seals(round seals that didn't match the oval holes in the connectors, etc). Since I pointed that out a few times, he does appear to have fixed it. But that was really a rookie mistake sort of thing, I don't think he even realized he had the wrong parts. He still has some wrong parts. How much money do you want to pay him to be his learning experience?

Rywire's stuff for the 1G would probably be more applicable to most guys here:

click


This thread has some good stuff in it too! click

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215720 posted 09/02/15 12:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
After seeing this thread pop up again, I remembered I forgot to post a link to an interesting thread I found awhile back.

It can be found here

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