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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208261 posted 05/13/15 09:15 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^These and the BC are nearly identical externally, so i too am curious about this and will be investigating. This is one solution, thanks MT: click

How does K-Sport do it on their GVR4 kit?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208344 posted 05/13/15 10:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
KSport doesn't do anything for brake line attachments aside from flimsy thin stamped plates that you can bolt to the strut mounting bolt and bend as needed. They are junk, so I just hose clamped the stock bracket/hard line assembly to the coilover body. It works, but I'd prefer a cleaner solution if I'm buying a new set.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208345 posted 05/13/15 10:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting ApexHunter:

^These and the BC are nearly identical externally, so i too am curious about this and will be investigating. This is one solution, thanks MT: click

How does K-Sport do it on their GVR4 kit?




I went this route but instead of relying on two peices of metal to thread into I used a nutsert insert to bolt into.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208351 posted 05/13/15 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nutserts! Love those things!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208371 posted 05/14/15 09:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well folks they're up and available to order. Please note, these are built to order, and typical lead time is about 2 weeks!

I'm still working on some sort of introductory promotion for you guys.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208373 posted 05/14/15 10:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Who wants to buy my JICs so I can take this up?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208375 posted 05/14/15 10:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting ApexHunter:

Well folks they're up and available to order. Please note, these are built to order, and typical lead time is about 2 weeks!

I'm still working on some sort of introductory promotion for you guys.

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I would love some gravel spec ones but Odi said he wouldn't build me any. If you could change that... That would be awesome. I don't need full blown rally suspension, just something for rallyx and reccee

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208376 posted 05/14/15 10:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Crap! I want coilovers, but saving up for a hoist and waiting for 2 different guys to come and buy my old Datsun race car parts.

Interesting spring choice with same rate front and rear. David (Apex), any insight on that?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208381 posted 05/14/15 01:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^ Ice, I can only speculate at the moment. I trust they have reason for not staggering the rates with a front bias, so i will ask them directly.

Quoting idreamidrive:

Quoting ApexHunter:

Well folks they're up and available to order. Please note, these are built to order, and typical lead time is about 2 weeks!

I'm still working on some sort of introductory promotion for you guys.

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I would love some gravel spec ones but Odi said he wouldn't build me any. If you could change that... That would be awesome. I don't need full blown rally suspension, just something for rallyx and reccee




I will look into this for you.

Thanks for the responses and questions everyone. Additionally, per the suggestion of another .org member, i'd like to know if they can build an inverted type front strut. I don't think it is a matter of "can" as much as a matter of "will", seeing as their external componentry seems identical to that of other manufacturers currently offering inverted.


Edited by ApexHunter (05/14/15 01:31 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208385 posted 05/14/15 03:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Money is in hand once we figure out the inverted option and potential intro price. I think I'll be happier with these on a car that gets driven without worry of trying to rebuild a set of JIC's. I'm in, but I'd really like the Carbon Fiber bodies prove it mentioned above. I would prepay with no timeline of completion for those. They'd match my carbon fiber group buy roll cage perfectly.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208469 posted 05/15/15 02:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Got some news here! Will have updates & promo in place tonight!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208491 posted 05/15/15 09:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks everyone for being patient while i get things sorted out for you guys. As I linked to earlier, the kits are up for sale on our site. I have a special introductory deal for gvr4.org, please PM or email david at heeltoeauto dot com for details. Feel free to hit me up as needed with any questions or what have you. Here's the info requested thus far:

As far as inverted goes, they are not interested in offering this feature now or in the future, except perhaps for a motorsports application. They have been successful with the conventional non-inverted design, even on their rally specific kits, and do not feel the added complexity and maintenance are worthwhile. While inverted is awesome, they do require more upkeep, namely lubrication and cleaning for good long term performance.


Quoting EMX5636:

Apex, can you check into the brake line attaching mounts?




For the front, they have a bracket that they attach to the lower mounting bracket during assembly that serves as a mounting point. No rear brake line mounting provision.

Not ideal, but if ever there was a group of guys that could handle figuring out how to mount a brake line bracket, i'd have more confidence in this group than most others. Besides, for those that remember that motorsports grade DMS coilovers from back in the day, they didn't have em front or rear (and for substantially more $$), but the performance of that setup was well worth it for those who wanted it.

Quoting iceman69510:

Interesting spring choice with same rate front and rear. David (Apex), any insight on that?




They have found that the equal rates work best for our multi-link rear suspension design because of its motion ratio. If the motion ratio was 1:1, then having a staggered setup with a front bias might make sense, but because the motion ratio is less than 1:1, you need a bit more rear spring.

If anyone would like to do a staggered spring set it's certainly possible. With the off the shelf valving, the dampers can handle a 2K spring change either stiffer or softer, so you have some leeway there anyhow.

Quoting idreamidrive:

I would love some gravel spec ones but Odi said he wouldn't build me any. If you could change that... That would be awesome. I don't need full blown rally suspension, just something for rallyx and reccee




This is certainly not out of the question in the future, but at this time they do not have the resources available (read: time) to properly engineer a kit that is going to have to be reliable and perform in a highly demanding situation like that.

Let me know and we could revisit it in the future perhaps, and i'm sure it would also help if we could get some more people interested as well! Need to be able to justify the R&D investment with some sales down the road. (that last bit is my speculation but i bet there's some truth there)


Edited by ApexHunter (05/16/15 12:27 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208494 posted 05/15/15 10:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No gravel here either >> click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208523 posted 05/16/15 10:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting ApexHunter:

While inverted is awesome, they do require more upkeep, namely lubrication and cleaning for good long term performance.




To the point, THIS is what they are trying to avoid requiring of their product and therefore their customers. The method would vary depending on design of course, but this is the idea.



TEIN has addressed this by creating a new triple tube design, which looks pretty sweet, but it appears to be exclusive to TEIN at least for mass-production.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208528 posted 05/16/15 12:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
It was really cool of you to do this for the community, David. Especially seeing as you don't even own a VR-4 anymore, or benefit from this in any way. It's guys like you who make this place legit.

I wish I were in the market for a set of coilovers, but I currently don't have the funds, or really the need for new set right now. How long do you expect this promo to last?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208530 posted 05/16/15 01:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thank you Brett, i really appreciate that man.

I still get a lot from this forum. I originally came here because there is lot of great info for 6G Galants. While the forum has morphed and such over the years, fundamentally what attracted me here remains. I am consistently inspired on here, and that has held true since i signed up. Without getting too sappy or too wordy, i'll just say that there are a lot of really dedicated, talented and and resourceful people on here who help me remember what is possible (almost anything, even on a budget) and how to have fun with a project regardless of what it is. Sometimes my job leaves me jaded and burnt on my own hobby so i plug in here and get stoked.

I've been working with Heeltoe for over 6 years now, and have been wanting to support the community every since i signed on there. It didn't really make a lot of sense to dive into though, as there are already a few good vendors that work with the vr4 and we have been plenty busy with the platforms that we specialize in. A couple months ago Feal caught my attention because i was looking for shock rebuild support, and after looking into them was impressed by their background and approach they are taking to the "affordable" coilover segment. Come to find out recently they do a VR4 kit, which slots in somewhere between the Taiwanese cookie cutter stuff and the Hot Bits. They just lack distribution, so here we are. BTW, they are a Hot Bits distributor, although Larry Parker is still doing a great job with Hot Bits support from what i can tell. Anyhow, while i don't benefit from this deal directly, i do believe in the product, and our business at Heeltoe is more about service than it is about a specific part or a specific car so we're excited to finally offer something valuable here.

I'm hoping to keep the Feal promo alive for at least a month or two, and longer if possible. Also will be doing a site-wide discount code for .org members, and adding other products in the future.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208531 posted 05/16/15 02:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Who wants to buy my BC RM's?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208576 posted 05/17/15 05:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Order sent. I'm game.


I'll let everyone know in a few weeks how they look/fit feel etc. I'm replacing a set of KSports, and with the upgraded valving and better springs, I'm hoping they feel even better on our shitty pothole filled roads.



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Edited by EMX5636 (05/17/15 08:24 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1208598 posted 05/18/15 01:13 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Sweet. Can't wait to go up and pick them up and scope the operation. Should be a fun little field trip. Or should i say, Feald trip. Ha.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1209065 posted 05/27/15 11:24 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Update: First few orders have been placed and the builds are underway now. Hope to have some real feedback on the GVR4 specific kits within the coming weeks. I also ended up changing my own personal suspension plan for my Evo. I sold my OEM MR Bilstein damper assemblies, which i had originally planned on revalving for use with some Swift Spec-Rs, and bought an off the shelf spec Feal 441 kit. I'm excited to check it out and am feeling confident that this was a good move.

I got a little bit more feedback at the track this past weekend. I spotted a guy with a Feal sticker on his RLTA Subaru so i chatted with him for a minute. One thing that was interesting was he had previously owned a set of KW V3s. He said he had spent quite a bit of cash customizing them to fit his needs. At the end of they day he dumped them because he kept running into issues. We didn't get into specifics but he said he just wished he had gone with the Feals in the first place.

Spoke to another guy there who has an Evo that was pretty extensively modified for track use. I was trying to get some setup tips from him, as he has been at it for a while, and i've only just started taking my Evo to the track. He's the original owner, bought it new in 2003, and has used it almost exclusively at the track since. Anyway, I told him i had just picked up a set of Feals. He said he's used them for several rebuilds for himself and friends/customers of his (he's on Ohlins DFVs at the moment), and he was always really happy with their service. He attributed a lot of their skill and knowledge to their past experience with off-road racing applications. That is a bit out of my realm, but his opinion was that if you are building shocks for that stuff, the learning curve there is very steep and unforgiving, especially with valving, and that made sense to me. He also said that he thought that the 8k/8k springs that came standard with my kit were softer than what he would recommend for the track, but he suspected that it would be supremely comfy on the street. This sounds good to me, as my car is ultimately a street car, and my girlfriend already isn't wild about the ride quality of the Evo in stock form, so if i can improve there that'd be a bonus.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1209126 posted 05/28/15 06:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Glad to hear you're picking up a set for your Evo. I'm definitely eager to get them on and test them out.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1209535 posted 06/04/15 05:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Woo! Set is ready for shipment! Can't wait to unbox, and get them on the car.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1209545 posted 06/04/15 09:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes! Dude i was hyped when i got the good news today that they were done building them.

Looking forward to picking up another gvr4 kit next week, as well as a kit of my own, and hopefully checking out their operation a bit.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1210388 posted 06/17/15 03:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ran into a delay here, but also learned some stuff. With the Galant VR-4 being the oddball that it is, camber adjustable upper mounts are a bit tougher to get that i would have thought, and Feal's supplier only had a standard, non-adjustable upper mount. Our first kit was built with these mounts. EMX5636 alerted me, and after a little bit of discussion with Feal, they have sourced the camber adjustable upper mounts for us and the first few should be ready here in the next couple of weeks. First set will be shipped off to EMX so he can get his kit up to snuff. Next set will be used to complete the other GVR4 coilover kit that i'm waiting on. Thanks a bunch to Justin (EMX5636) for his help and patience, and to the other gvr4 mystery tester , and of course to Feal for being good guys who want the end user to be happy.

Also noteworthy:

Each of the upper holes on the front lower bracket's mounting ear is slotted, so we'll be able to adjust the angle of the knuckle here, as well as adjusting camber via the upper mount.

Front lower brackets look beefy and well reinforced; ready to take a beating

The front lower brackets have provisions for brake line mounting. Rears use included clamp on mounts.

A few teasers, credit to Justin:




Edited by ApexHunter (06/17/15 03:27 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1210401 posted 06/17/15 07:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I'm really interested in eventually getting a set of these for mine, but I'm waiting for the guinea pigs (you guys) final opinion on the quality, ride, etc. of them.

Anyways, I do have a few question sregarding this most recent update:
If I order these from Feal will I have to specify that I need to have the camber adjustable upper mounts?
What brand did Feal use for the camber adjustable upper mount?
Also, if I source the camber adjustable upper mounits myself would Feal be open to the idea of using the ones I select?



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