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Mater/slave cylinder rebuild


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11397 posted 04/11/03 11:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What do you guys think of rebuilding the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder versus buying new ones? One advantage is I could do the mods to them more easily:

http://www.taboospeedshop.com/cmc.htm

Ken's post, 2nd from the bottom:

http://www.galantvr4.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001333

Thanks.

dp

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11398 posted 04/11/03 11:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The slave is easy to rebuild, hard to find the correct rebuild kit.

The master be a bitch, but you save alot of money compared to buying a brand new one.

Also, you can upgrade to a slighly larger piston for the slave if you buy a new one instead of a rebuild kit. I don't know the part number. I just know I have it [Razz]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11399 posted 04/11/03 11:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Is that "new one" meaning slave cylinder? Or "new one" meaning slave cylinder piston?

dp

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11400 posted 04/11/03 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just rebuilt a master a few days ago. It took about 15 minutes (includes cleaning). I haven't done the slave yet, but should be easy (if Josh sent me the right one [Wink] ) The price for both rebuild kits is about $40.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11401 posted 04/11/03 11:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This is where i just got mine, but my friggin clutch went the day after i installed it (a few days ago). is this a good master and slave for our cars?????? i asked before i bought it and it seemed like yes,
but someone tell me, could this be what toasted my 4 month old clutchmaster 2500lb clutch???

http://store.yahoo.com/shopctc/clmaslcypa.html

I love my GVR4 so much and she keeps doing this to me, i cant take it anymore! she has been draining all of my money for the last 2 years! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Ok, i feel better. had to let that out.

~Aaron

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11402 posted 04/11/03 12:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by GVR-4:
Is that "new one" meaning slave cylinder? Or "new one" meaning slave cylinder piston?

dp

Sorry, you can get a better slave by buying a new one.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11403 posted 04/11/03 01:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by ayvr4:
This is where i just got mine, but my friggin clutch went the day after i installed it (a few days ago). is this a good master and slave for our cars?????? i asked before i bought it and it seemed like yes,
but someone tell me, could this be what toasted my 4 month old clutchmaster 2500lb clutch???

http://store.yahoo.com/shopctc/clmaslcypa.html

I love my GVR4 so much and she keeps doing this to me, i cant take it anymore! she has been draining all of my money for the last 2 years! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Ok, i feel better. had to let that out.

~Aaron

I bought both there a few months ago for #782. They said that they get them from the same place as Mitsu. -They just cut out the middle man.

Mine has been draining me for about 5 years. I keep thinking it will get better. Then I take it for a drive and the bad memories fade. [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11404 posted 04/11/03 04:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by gvr4ever:
Also, you can upgrade to a slighly larger piston for the slave if you buy a new one instead of a rebuild kit. I don't know the part number. I just know I have it [Razz]

Do you mean the piston is wider or longer? If it's wider, wouldn't that be bad, ie have more crossface area, hence take more fluid to push it out the same distance, hence more pedal travel? I bought a new one and put it in about a month ago, and the piston was the same size as the stocker.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11405 posted 04/11/03 06:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, here is my story. When I went to rebuild mine, I just went to a local store. I was in a hurry. I got the part, but the cylinder was too big. Maybe just a mm, but the bitch wouldn't fit. I tried a yet another chain thinking it was just a mistake, but I got the same problem. At this point I called up the dealer, gave them my vin number and ordered the rebuild kit.

I thought for sure I had it. Nope, too big. On the mitsu part, the stocker piston in green and I got a pink one that was just a tad too big to fit in the stock slave. Well, I had to fix my leaky problem cause this car was used to get to work. No backup. I just ordered a whole new one. When I did, it came with the pink cylinder.

I have no ideal why no one (even Mitsu) could not match the stock piston on a rebuild kit. It's only maybe 1, 1.5mm bigger, but when you are tring to rebuild the slave with a bigger piston, it seems a lot bigger.

To this day, I don't know why there is a green (smaller piston) and a pink (bigger piston) for the slave cylinders or why even the dealer with the VIN couldn't get the right part to me.

I can only guess that the stocker is NLA.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11406 posted 04/12/03 10:13 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just went to rebuild mine, and my stock piston is green, the one from the rebuild kit is red and smaller. It's seems to be too small to work right. Hmm...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11407 posted 04/14/03 01:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Joe/DSMSLEEPER,
did you just put that master & slave in as is, or did you do anything special to it??
Thanks
~Aaron

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11408 posted 04/14/03 01:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My slave is leaking as well. I bleed the clutch and it is beutifull. A few days later and it is shit again, it won't disinguage fully. Is it worth it to source a used one, rebuild it then just drop it in?

Has anyone got the right size piston for their rebuild? If so, where did you get it from?

Thanx

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11409 posted 04/14/03 02:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by dsmsleeper:
I just went to rebuild mine, and my stock piston is green, the one from the rebuild kit is red and smaller. It's seems to be too small to work right. Hmm...

Yikes. Maybe that is from a Galant GSX or something. Did you order that using your VIN#?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11410 posted 04/14/03 02:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I had to change mine, so i just bought a new one. I didn't pay much, how much is it usually in your area for a job like that.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11411 posted 04/14/03 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
After all the uncertainty, my plan is to buy a new slave cylinder and a rebuild kit for the master. I still plan on doing the mod for each.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11412 posted 04/15/03 01:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by gvr4ever:
quote:
Originally posted by dsmsleeper:
I just went to rebuild mine, and my stock piston is green, the one from the rebuild kit is red and smaller. It's seems to be too small to work right. Hmm...

Yikes. Maybe that is from a Galant GSX or something. Did you order that using your VIN#?
I got it from Josh (Conicelli). To rebuild the slave and master is very easy. The slave rebuild kit is around $8 from partznet. I forget the price on the master...maybe $26?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11413 posted 05/16/03 08:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
well crap.
I bought a rebuild kit and it had a green piston (larger than the one on the car). The car had a smaller pink piston. Seems like this is the mystery of the slave cyclinder rebuild kits. I put the one I had back together and removed the clutch restrictor. so far its the same amount of pedal play. im not sure what people are referring to when they removed the restrictor.

DongeR

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11414 posted 05/16/03 10:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've rebuilt several slaves and they are cake. Make sure you break the glaze with a hone for a minute or so. As for the size issue, I copied this from my old website:

"91 GVR4 and 2gs use a larger bore clutch release cylinder than the 92 GVR4s and 1g turbos(20.64 vs 19.05mm). This means that clutch pedal movment for the 91 GVR4 will be softer and require more pedal travel to disengage than the 92 GVR4s. This should be a simple upgrade for anyone having clutch release problems. As soon as I do it myself, this tip will be updated. P/N for 1g turbo clutch release cylinder is MD733623. I have not yet been able to establish if the clutch master cylinders are different since both have different part numbers due to the different clutch fluid reservoirs. The shop manual also doesn't mention clutch master cylinder inside diameter for GVR4s or 2gs."

I need to update that...

Mark

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11415 posted 05/17/03 12:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The 92 model year had the smaller piston slave and the 91 has the smaller piston. I rememer that the 92 was about 8% smaller than the 91 but dont remember the dimentions exactly but I beleive they were 11/16 and 3/4. prob the green and pink thing. If you got the wrong one with the vin someone prob put in the wrong diameter one in it so when they look it up by vin it will be wrong so it may not be the parts guys fault.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11416 posted 05/17/03 12:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
so is the 91 more copasetic to having no release problems or is the 92 the whole explanation of that was confusing to me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11417 posted 05/17/03 01:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you don't want to read my above post...

Alright, Hydraulics 101. When you increase the size of a hydraulic piston, it now pushes more fluid with the same movement. Conversely, when you decrease the size of a piston, it moves less fluid with the same movement.

I'll give you two scenarios and you can vice versa them on your own. So, here's what happens when we change the master cylinder. Lets make the bore bigger. You'll be pushing the pedal the same amount as normal and because the bore is bigger, you'll be pushing more fluid. Since you're doing more work with the same movement, the work will be harder, i.e. the pedal will be stiffer. This translates into more clutch movement with the same pedal movement.

Now, lets make the slave cylinder bore smaller. With the same fluid movement coming from the master cylinder, the piston now moves more than it did before. Again, we have harder work with same travel so pedal is stiffer. Since the piston moves more, the cluch releases more for the same amount of fluid coming from the master cylinder.

Understand now? This applies to all hydraulic systems so if we discuss brake masters and caliper piston sizes, you'll be able to apply this to that as well.

Mark

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 11418 posted 05/18/03 12:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Bingo!
Found the right one after three tries.
The smaller slave cyclinder is .75" or 3/4
can be found on the 1989 MITSUBISHI SIGMA V6 3.0 Liter FI

The bigger cyclinder measured .7904 but in the book it was 13/16" (.8125) can be found on the 1991 and 1992 galant vr4's

DongeR

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