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New Owner of 1837/2000

Brett Adams' Galant VR-4

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Quoting Jesus_Negros:
You should try out an appropriate sized wastegate and see what happens.



If I had plans to stick with this turbo, I'd absolutely upgrade to an external gate. But, the 68HTA is on its way out. Hopefully by next spring/summer, I'll be doing another round of upgrades, which will include a FP3052 setup I've got on the shelf. Besides that, another few pounds of boost up top isn't going to take this setup to the next level of any sh*t like that. I'm already logging over the flow rate FP advertises for this "16G", so there aren't a whole lot of gains to be made past what I'm already making. At the end of the day, this is just a street car, and a hobby...I'm not trying to set records at the track.




Quoting 89Patches:
Now that you have a surge tank, take out one of the lift pumps. Why have it if ya don't need it.



Yeah, man. I'll probably end up throwing my old hanger in and going back to the single pump at some point in the future.
 

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As long as you're having fun
 

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A few small updates.




Added a Dynatek ARC-2 CDI box
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Installed a Aeromotive 14105 fuel rail.
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Also replaced the Muteki lugs with some project Kics Leggdura 2 piece lug nuts so nobody gets a free set of wheels.
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Better updates coming soon /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Well, finally decided to man up and install the new trans and turbo setup. These parts have been sitting in the garage for almost a year now, so I figured it was about time they get put to use.

I started off by pulling the old trans, and installing a new to me Shep "stage 2" box. Specs according to the build sheet I have are:

• Shep stage II transmission:
--- New input shaft
--- New 3-4 hub/sleeve
--- New 3-4 fork
--- New DSM 3-4 gears
--- Double 2-3 synchros
--- Welded center diff
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So, I got to work pulling the old trans. The my clutch has been good, so I didn't have any reason to touch it. I did install a new ACT release bearing, as well as a Competition Clutch forged steel release fork & pivot ball, though.
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A little tidbit... The @Turbo Performance manifold blankets are awesome. Mine is going on a few years old now, and it's still holding up pretty good! I did lose a grommet, but after eleventy million heat cycles and pulling this on and off the car nearly a dozen times, this thing has held up really damn good. You can see in the last few pictures in this post how it looks like new with a fresh coat of VHT Flameproof.
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Well, onto the turbo stuff... A Forced Performance 3052 ball bearing turbo has replaced the 68HTA V2. I decided to pair this up with a Forced Performance 3" cast recirculated V-band O2 housing and Tial 44mm wastegate.
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Here's the FP3052 compared to the 68HTA V2:
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Once I got the turbo all bolted up, it was time to reconfigure the exhaust and hot side intercooler piping.
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At this stage in my life, I'm tired of f***ing with 2 bolt flanges and gaskets. Since the car is apart and I'm having to reconfigure everything, I wanted to take the opportunity to go to V-band flanges where possible. So, I converted the downpipe and hot side intercooler piping.
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Once everything was welded up, it was time to install and check for fitment.
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While the car was down, I also did some work to the front brakes. I gave the calipers a fresh coat of paint, and cleaned up the front hubs. I also installed new StopTech Sport drilled & slotted brake rotors and Hawk HP Plus pads.
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After all that, I primed the new turbo, and took it out for a drive. The car runs awesome, and the top end has drastically improved. As with any new setup, I'm still working out some small bugs, but hopefully in the coming weeks I have some hard performance data to share. Hopefully, trips to the dyno and track are in the near future.

As always, thanks for following the build!
 

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Nice work Brett. Why did you wait a year?

And does FP made t3 housings for their turbos yet?
 

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Looks good man. Are those 1g or 2g 3kgt calipers?
 

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Quoting Jesus_Negros:
Nice work Brett. Why did you wait a year?

And does FP made t3 housings for their turbos yet?



Thanks, man.

Why have these parts been on the shelf for so long? Well, 2 reasons, really:

The first is just finding time. Getting out the the garage to work on the car is only getting harder these days.

The second being, the car has been so reliable, I didn't want to tear into it. I've had zero issues with the car since probably before the DSM Shootout last year. After installing the 68HTA on the car, I was able to work out all the bugs and simply enjoy the car. It was hard to bring myself to really tear into the car when it's running so good, especially when nothing is broken.

Since the new turbo went on, I'm back to square 1 working out more little bugs with the new setup, which always seems to take more time and money than you plan for. I'm already missing being able to jump into the car and know I can go anywhere at anytime in it. I've realized one of the toughest parts of modding my cars has been ensuring they are reliable. If my sh*t won't sit in stop and go traffic for hours on end and not give 2 fucks, I'm not satisfied with the build. Making the powaz has become a secondary objective for me, personally.

What's hilarious I remember talking sh*t to Mark way back in the day about his car being the same for a decade (among other things, lol)...Now I completely understand his sentiment /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif

At some point, you get just tired of wrenching, and dumping time and money into these turds. A lesson learned only learned in due time, I suppose.

Regarding the question about FP's turbine housing options, I think you can get a variety of turbine housing options with most FP turbos these days. If it's not available directly on their website, you can usually call/email and they can hook you up with whatever you need. It won't be cheap, but then again turbos typically aren't.




Quoting G:
Looks good man. Are those 1g or 2g 3kgt calipers?



I appreciate it, G.

They are the 2nd gen (1994-1999 IIRC) 3KGT calipers which use the larger 12" rotors (12746052L (/R)). They look and work awesome on the Galant.
 

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I feel you. Modding isn't as fun when it hurts the "get in and go" factor. I tend to be very slow when it comes to modifications. Look at My conquest lol. It hasn't ran in years and I've had 90% of what's needed just sitting I the garage waiting for my effort. One day eventually I'll get off my ass.
 

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Wrenching continues! Recap of the updates from the last few weeks.

Alright, cooling...

After I swapped to the FP3052, I ended up having to ditch the passenger side cooling fan due to the lack of clearance on the back side of the radiator. I was hoping a single fan would keep up, but it wasn't quite cutting it after extended idle time. So, I relocated the fan to the front side of the A/C condenser in a pusher configuration. It was a bastard squeezing the fan into that tiny space, but it ended up fitting pretty well.
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With the fan relocated to in front side of the condenser, I had to move my oil cooler, which was previously in that space. Since I had to move it anyways, I figured it was a good time to upgrade. So, I picked up a B&M oil cooler setup to replace the factory 1990 oil cooler I was running previously. I situated it where the deleted ABS unit was, which locates the core nicely to get adequate airflow.

Old setup:
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New setup:
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With the FP30 turbine housing being located so close to the radiator on the Galant, I wanted to do a little extra to divert some of the heat in that area. So, I picked up a PTP turbine housing blanket. It's a really nice blanket, and fits like a glove. It also works awesome. You can literally touch the blanket after extended engine operation.

All the improvements in the cooling department seem to be working really well. We're seeing mid 80's to mid 90's here (about as hot as it gets in MD) with horrible humidity, and I've yet to see anything much over 206 degrees. I'll provide some future updates after I get some more seat time.
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I installed new plugs gapped at .028 since I added the CDI box. Previously, I was gapped down to .018, which circumvented some ignition issues I was having at higher boost levels. I figured while the plugs were out, I'd also do a compression test. I'm still at 175-180 PSI across the board, which I'm pretty happy with.
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The FP3052 didn't like my old 3" intake, which seemed to be causing some compressor surge. So, I crafted up a 4" version that basically mimicked the old one.
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Continuing my quest for crisper shifts, I installed new OEM shifter cables, a new cable bracket, and upgraded to solid shifter base bushings.
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I replaced the rear carrier bushings with new OEM stuff as well. I forgot to do this when I added the DSS driveshaft, so I finally just got around to doing it.
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At this point, I think I've got most of the bugs worked out. I'll be playing with the tune, and putting some test miles on the new setup in the next few weeks. So far, I'm really impressed with the FP3052. The car runs and feels awesome. It's hard to compare the FP3052 fairly to the 68HTA, since the entire hot side is exponentially more efficient. But, the FP3052 in it's current configuration is definitely the superior street turbo. I'm seeing 30 PSI by 4k RPM, and this turbo has awesome top end to match the quick low end response. I'm hoping for a visit to the track, and maybe even the dyno in the near future to get some real numbers up for comparison. Thanks for reading along.
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Nice location for that new oil cooler. The inlets on the JDM bumpers are just asking to be put to good use. They're nicely sculpted.

It's fun watching here. Stoked you finally stuck that 3052 on there. GT3076/ FP3052 have long been my choice until the advent of EFR stuff. I suppose now that's not even new tech anymore. Anyway, they're just such a good balance of drivability/flexibility and ultimate power.
 

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Damn, it sucks that I'll be leaving before I get to see this thing! It's clean as hell and you'll probably never need more turbo than that.
 

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Quoting ApexHunter:
Nice location for that new oil cooler. The inlets on the JDM bumpers are just asking to be put to good use. They're nicely sculpted.

It's fun watching here. Stoked you finally stuck that 3052 on there. GT3076/ FP3052 have long been my choice until the advent of EFR stuff. I suppose now that's not even new tech anymore. Anyway, they're just such a good balance of drivability/flexibility and ultimate power.



Yeah, David, I'd love to have the latest and greatest Xona Rotor DSM 61-56 for this build, but a 2K turbo just isn't in the cards right now. I just put those parts on the wish list so I don't forget about them, and hopefully they make it onto the car some day. Hell, I wanted a 3052 or 3065 back when I had 1813. It only took me 5 years to finally get there...Finally out of "16g land" now /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif


The logs I have say this setup is a good recipe for the ultimate street car. This turbo isn't going to set record dyno numbers, but it's sure to impress anyone who casually wants to go for a ride around the block. The other day, I let my wife drive it for the first time since I swapped to the 3052. Now, she says she wants 820 to "have more G force" like 1837 does. If it impresses her, that's saying something!




Quoting Jesus_Negros:
Damn, it sucks that I'll be leaving before I get to see this thing! It's clean as hell and you'll probably never need more turbo than that.




Meh, my command is dicking me around. I'm not even sure if I'm going to be PCS'ing anymore. I might be stuck here for another year or more.
 

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I don't think I'd ever go away from using my 3052. Other than maybe the HTA upgrade. It's a lot of fun with the power it makes and isn't so much that I have to worry about easily breaking drivetrain parts. Just a nice all around setup.
 

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Sorta unrelated to the build, but related in a sense that it's impeding my progress. My new garage...It was f***ed. So, I built a workbench, and added some other man sh** to make wrenching on the grocery getter as painless as possible. 4 days, 6 trips to Lowe's and ~$400 bucks later and wrenching can finally commence. Hoping to have some updates on the car soon.




Workhorse:
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Looks more tidy! Swap out that water heater for a tankless unit and free up space!
 
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