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Re: light weight flywheel


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198332 posted 01/08/15 12:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Like mentioned before, I think it's the clutch that kills drivability. I've done lightened flywheels in all my cars and never had an issue with lugging, jerking, etc. I also never ran aggressive as hell discs and plates.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198333 posted 01/08/15 12:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yerp. I run a centerforce.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198378 posted 01/08/15 09:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Centre Force Dual Friction here too. I don't know how much power it holds in comparison with other clutches if you are making a lot of power but it has served me very, very well on my relatively lightly modded daily and driveability is excellent.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198398 posted 01/09/15 09:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't like the aluminum flywheel because of how they are made. You bolt a steel friction surface to a chunk of aluminum and expect it to stay flat. My experience has been they are noisy and if you launch it a lot the steel plate warps and the clutch fails. Aluminum and steel expand and contract at different rates so to me it just sounds bad. I use a ACT and it works fine. The next one I buy will probably be a competition clutch though. I recently had my ACT refinished and found that the step was wrong out of the box and that's why my clutches only lasted 5k miles at a time.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198408 posted 01/09/15 11:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ACT's are garbage. My first one lasted a good 40k and then a spring popped out. The 2nd one went MAYBE 5k and a spring popped out. When i worked at DS we had an ASSLOAD of them have springs pop out when they went to the rubber spring in a few of the slots. The pedal feel is AWFUL too.
The CF can't take multiple launches, it just doesn't have the clamping power. But man the car drives SOOOOO much better than the ACT.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198428 posted 01/09/15 04:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
my experience is that the CFDF doesn't like bigger power level (say 3052+) and it really doesn't like torque (say... not shitty 7.8:1 motor).

The one I had in my 1g was decent, but at 8.5:1 and an evo3 in a 6cm^2 it did not take that long before the car would blow through the clutch as soon as it spooled up.

My ACT 2600 had I think 25k on it when I sold the motor and gave the clutch to the guy who bought the motor and it's still going strong as far as I know. I know some people had problems, but when the whole thing was going bad for them, I never saw one pop that wasn't missing a dowel pin or the magic bolt on the backside of the trans.

For what it's worth I had an RRE lightened flywheel, and knowing what I know now, I'd never, ever install one in a car again. My opinion is that if you're exceeding OEM redline, you should run an SFI rated flywheel, and for me, a scattershield.

Maybe I'm unnecessarily risk averse.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198435 posted 01/09/15 06:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't get it. What is wrong with the RRE No Name Flywheel? It is the same exact flywheel as the ACT Xact. SFI rated or not. It was also mentioned earlier that it was probably made in China. I have a hard time believing it was manufactured anywhere other than Taiwan at a minimum. Again, the RRE No Name Flywheel is a fine unit which I've personally used on two different Mitsu's w/o concern and issue.

Having said that, support a vendor thats been in the game for a long time and buy a product that is significantly cheaper than the other flywheels I listed in my first post.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198441 posted 01/09/15 09:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
we all have to understand that not all flywheels are created equal. every race component was created for a purpose. some for drag racing others for road course and most don't like the other side. if you use something like a Jun flywheel for drag racing. you may have a bad time. road racing? you might be fine for years to come.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198448 posted 01/09/15 10:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I read Slugs post wrong too. He was talking about RRE's lightened flywheel, not their No Name -my bad



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198472 posted 01/10/15 12:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I like ACT pressure plates personally. I HATE ACT discs and I stopped running them probably 8 years ago. My go to clutch combo has been the ACT PP and a clutch Net (solid) 4-puck disc. This thing will take all the abuse and some. I did overpower an ACT2600PP's capability during my last dyno session so I have an ACT 3200PP installed now. This thing does however need some shimming of the pivot ball to work fine. I also had a CFDF in #476 while I had the GT3076 turbo on last year and it could not handle that turbo's output....great pedal feel though.


Just to add....for moderate power levels, an ACT2600 and the stock OEM disc worked very well. Just don't make a bunch of pulls on the highway and make it very hot. IMO, it was a good street/track combo.



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Edited by diambo4life (01/10/15 12:42 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198492 posted 01/10/15 06:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Has anyone used the Competition Clutch Steel Flywheel from JNZ? click

Made from 4140 steel. Weight is similar to the RRE "No Name"



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198509 posted 01/11/15 09:32 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting slugsgomoo:

my experience is that the CFDF doesn't like bigger power level (say 3052+) and it really doesn't like torque (say... not shitty 7.8:1 motor).

The one I had in my 1g was decent, but at 8.5:1 and an evo3 in a 6cm^2 it did not take that long before the car would blow through the clutch as soon as it spooled up.




Well that's a bummer, mine's holding fine at present but my last 'upgrade' for the daily was going to be an EVO III 16G and FP exhaust Manifold when the Big 16G fails. I really hope that doesn't tip the power over the CFDF power threshold. I love that clutch. Still it would give me a chance to try that Southbend Kevlar disk and CF pressure plate combo which is supposed to work pretty well!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198530 posted 01/11/15 08:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
To reiterate I'm using a South Bend Heavy Duty TZ-Series Kevlar Clutch

I've narrowed my options to :
-Stock resurfaced
-RRE No Name


-Comp Clutch


-ACT StreetLite


By the way, The RRE Looks a lot more like the CC than the ACT to me. What do you think?


Edited by tektic (01/12/15 01:58 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198568 posted 01/12/15 02:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have a used ACT streetlite I would sell. About 30k miles on it (many highway). I will have to find it and get you a pic if interested.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198574 posted 01/12/15 03:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I probably get away with more than most because my car is absurdly light for a street car.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198829 posted 01/16/15 10:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
All the description for the comp clutch fly wheel say for n/a or street application. That didn't seem right to me so I gave them a call. Just got off the phone with them and they assured me that was a mistake. They said it was take what ever I could throw at it as it was made of hardened steel. Then I asked about the step height. He said -15.4 or .606". That seems too low to me. I asked if the RRE wheel was the same and he said no. He's going to email me a picture of his flywheel.

I asked south bend what they build their clutch kits for and they said .610" i'm going to call act for good measure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198831 posted 01/16/15 10:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
it will depend on what disc they run that will determine the step height of the flywheel. CC may have a specific disc for that setup. I would hope haha.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1198859 posted 01/16/15 07:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I can't use it and its out of stock spec so... I don't know why they would make them that way unless it was another error.

I'm going to talk to RRE on Monday. Their clutch is looking like the best option for me right now. They are at least aware of the correct step height. I'll try them tomorrow but not expecting anyone to answer.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200821 posted 02/06/15 11:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Only interested in new.

Going to buy today.

Is the act worth the extra $75 over the xtd?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1200823 posted 02/06/15 11:47 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Never had an issue with my ACT. Can't speak for all though.



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