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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545379 posted 10/07/07 03:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I am thinking of running a VPC on my car and was wondering wether I can use Greddy E-manage with it or is it just an SAFC that I have to use. Is it worth using in general?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545387 posted 10/07/07 03:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
do not use the E damage. save your self the hustle and get either DSMlink or a chip from key diver with a SAFC.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545391 posted 10/07/07 03:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The E-manage is a bad idea huh? What do you think about the VPC in general. I have an safc chipped for my 780cc injectors and a 2g mas. With the turbo I have it does not like to idle at all.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545411 posted 10/07/07 05:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
emanage is junk, vpc is good

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545444 posted 10/07/07 06:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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The E-manage is a bad idea huh? What do you think about the VPC in general. I have an safc chipped for my 780cc injectors and a 2g mas. With the turbo I have it does not like to idle at all.



A vpc will make your car idle worse. BUY a dsmlink!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545448 posted 10/07/07 06:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
A properly set up VPC will idle fine. Mine has been in my car for 2 years and it idles great. I've never heard anything good about the E-manage but I have no first hand experience with it. However, my VPC/SAFC works great, idles well, I even drive it to work through NYC/Manhattan traffic a couple of times a month with no problems.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545450 posted 10/07/07 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
personally, i think dsm link is a pos,but thats just my .02, vpc works great

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545475 posted 10/07/07 07:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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personally, i think dsm link is a pos




Please elaborate

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545479 posted 10/07/07 07:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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personally, i think dsm link is a pos,but thats just my .02, vpc works great




.02 aren't worth sh!t, explain why link is a pos?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545509 posted 10/07/07 09:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, elaborate, as I just sold a VPC for a 3G MAS / DSMLink...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545593 posted 10/08/07 07:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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A vpc will make your car idle worse. BUY a dsmlink!




A VPC will not make ur care idle worse at all unless u have it completly outta wack or not installed correctly. i ran one for years and never had a problem



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545618 posted 10/08/07 08:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
if you're looking for blow thru options, the maft pro is very nice as well. definitely more tuning than chip/safc, but probably on par or a little more in depth than VPC. just another option for ya...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545782 posted 10/08/07 02:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I had an SAFC before making the jump to DSMLINK. With this and an AEM WB I was able to go much faster and smooth out my fuel trims. +1 Go with Link. Look for people upgrading to AEM EMS and see if you can get it cheap.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545827 posted 10/08/07 03:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Slugs was saying one day on the IRC that dsmlink/VPC would be a good combo

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545833 posted 10/08/07 03:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My car never idled properly or had very good throttle response with a VPC/GCC no matter how hard I tried to adjust it. I'm so glad I got rid of it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545865 posted 10/08/07 05:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think the GCC is the problem, not the VPC. Everyone I've heard of running the VPC/GCC has had some problems with it.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545871 posted 10/08/07 05:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've used VPCs for years, and they definitely have their place, but it's getting harder and harder to find them with decent harnesses and good sensors. MAP sensors will eventually wear out, and HKS isn't interested in supplying them anymore, apparently. The temp sensors are NLA. You can still find the sensor harnesses fairly easily, but finding an ECU harness is getting nearly impossible.

The DSMlink is a great tool, and the user tunability is a great aspect. However, if you've set up your car to use speed density, trying to switch back to the MAF setup isn't the easiest. I don't trust the 1st gen of MAFTs much at all, but I hear that the MaftPro is much better, though I have no experience.

The VPC can let you go very fast without having to tune very much, as long as you don't mind that it won't let you tune much. (+/- 12%)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545890 posted 10/08/07 06:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
And while the thread isn't about Emanage I will defend it since I've seen first hand 2 people go very fast with it. Both have 1g's and have nothing but good things to say about it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 545956 posted 10/08/07 08:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^Likewise, i've seen a lot of cars setup on e-manage and e-manage ultimates though very were DSMs and the owners loved them. esp since the Ultimate has the launch control and offers the ability to change out the maf to go Speed density. Together with a wideband sensor its loggin capabilities helped people create base maps relatively easy. But there are a few 3kGTs and Evos using e-manage's for speed density. It also has the anti-stall feature for VTA with MAFs



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546065 posted 10/09/07 05:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have a VPC/GCC combo, and it idles decently. It's my daily driver, and I have a 550 chip, with 680 PTE injectors. I run really rich at idle, more than likely due to the fact I am running a Supra TT pump and a stock FPR. My only complaint with the combo, is you can't fine tune it well enough. The DSMLink definitely gives you more tunability, which would be great in conjunction with the VPC.

And with all of this power (50 trim, 23psi, SMIM, FMIC, Ext WG, etc.) and I still average about 24 MPG.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546069 posted 10/09/07 05:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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I think the GCC is the problem, not the VPC. Everyone I've heard of running the VPC/GCC has had some problems with it.

John




The GCC is the problem. I experimented with both the GCC and an afc.

With the AFC you can correct any fuel issues...with the GCC you were out of luck.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546375 posted 10/09/07 03:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i had a vpc/afc w/ keydiver chip and could never get the car to run well. I had 660cc injectors and with the vpc 550 chip and a kediver chip for the other 110cc i had to lean the idle out to 30% on the afc and to see 14 afr and no matter how rich i made it upto it would go lean. I changed nothing but pulling all that stuff out and adding a dsmlink and the car ran like a champ.....no idleing problems or wierd afr.
just my 2 cents

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546381 posted 10/09/07 03:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've had two VPC setups, one with a GCC and one with an SAFC and both ran fine. No idling problems, but the one with the SAFC was a little hard to tune with, although that car had problems other than the VPC/SAFC. I think part of the problem people have is running VPC chips that don't match their injectors. Re-compensating with an SAFC or one of Jeff's chips just doesn't work as well as having the right VPC chip to begin with.

I think for a mild setup the VPC works well. You pick up a lot of horsepower on the butt dyno, and free up space under the hood by losing the MAS. I was happy with mine, just ready for something bigger and better.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546421 posted 10/09/07 04:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There are also some problem with the VPC harness because they are so old now. Some of the solder joint will crack and will make your VPC looses its barometer calibration.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 546473 posted 10/09/07 05:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
vpc/afc with keydiver chip setup is a nice setup. I only upgraded to aem cause i finally got the money, I had dsm link for 2 months, and got rid of it, hate it and at the time i had to use a gm maft which is even more of a piece of shit. some ppl like the link, personally i would never use one ever again

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