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Re: 1990 Oil Filter Housing Question?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 340439 posted 05/18/06 12:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^Why would he just eliminate the cooler though by blocking off the lines? Why not let it cool? Am I missing something?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 340533 posted 05/18/06 04:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Done porting that hole. What a pain...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 340706 posted 05/19/06 07:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
sweet. now eliminate it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 340739 posted 05/19/06 09:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
All my parts have arrived. It's a Mocal 13 row cooler, with a Mocal 180* thermostat. I drive this car in the winter, and I don't want the oil to take forever to come up to operating temp if it was circulating through the cooler while warming up. The thermostat opens up at 180* to let oil circulate through the cooler.

I think I'm going to get two more 90* bends to use for the cooler connections. The plan is to mount this thing on the passenger side in front of the radiator, above the intercooler and behind the grill. Does it matter if the cooler is mounted above or below the filter housing (thinking about gravity and oil flow)?



I got everything from Summit for somewhere around $200+. However I got the metric>AN filter housing connections and washers from Machv.


Edited by CP (05/19/06 04:13 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 340931 posted 05/19/06 04:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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sweet. now eliminate it.




And no, I don't get this post All you need to do is shatup and help me install this thing next weekend



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341075 posted 05/20/06 05:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
eliminate your oil filter housing, then you won't have these issues.

Seriously though, don't worry about location for the cooler. Gravity means nothing when you have +100psi pressure.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341146 posted 05/20/06 12:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That setup looks sweet CP. I'm looking to scrap my stock 90 unti pretty soon too.

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CP
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341148 posted 05/20/06 12:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't like the condition of the 1990 oil coolers that circulate throughout our community, so I went with this NEW one. The thermostat sounded like a good idea, and will aid with quick engine warm-up during the winter. Does it matter where the thermostat is located (closer to the filter housing or closer to the cooler)?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341157 posted 05/20/06 01:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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eliminate your oil filter housing, then you won't have these issues.

Seriously though, don't worry about location for the cooler. Gravity means nothing when you have +100psi pressure.




you don't have to worry about position, rather. Location is pretty important, I mean, you do want air to cross the thing.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341209 posted 05/20/06 04:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Cy,
Your setup is v. similar to what I did, but w/o the thermostat. I went with a Setrab similar to the Mocal, about same size or maybe a couple rows wider. It is mounted vertically exactly where you planned. I made a couple aluminum L brackets from some aluminum angle and bolted the cooler in place top and bottom, ran lines along the bottom of the radiator. Cooler is higher than the filter but it may not all drain when changing because the lines angle down a bit to/from the filter housing. I don'w worry about it because I change the oil more often than necessary, so whatever dirty oil remains gets diluted with a lot of fresh oil. Above or below should not matter in operation if that was what you were concerned about. Static head would be around 0.37 psig/ft elevation difference, i.e. negligible resistance to flow under pump pressure.
Mike R.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341240 posted 05/20/06 07:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for the info Mike. I actually WAS thinking about how to drain it during an oil change. In the location I have proposed, it will sit above the filter housing, so it should drain...if the thermostat is open. In reality, I probably won't be playing with oil over 180*, so this point is moot.

If yours doesn't drain, then you are not adding any extra oil (from stock) other than during that first fill after you installed it. Any idea how much more oil your system is utilizing with the addition of the cooler; somewhere around 5.5 quarts? More oil = more cooling faster

When you say "mounted vertically," are you saying that it's standing up on it's end where it's mounted? If I mounted it like this, I don't think I'll need to get another two 90* fittings, thus saving $40. But I'm not sure what the recommended mounting position is. I would guess that if the inlet was on top, and outlet below, this would aid in the flow of oil through the cooler. Like Colin said, at 75psi who really cares?


Edited by CP (05/20/06 07:53 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 341438 posted 05/21/06 05:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, it is vertically oriented (taller than it is wide, flowing top to bottom). Sorry no pics to post.
Mike R.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 346032 posted 06/03/06 09:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, I figured out why my fittings were leaking. I have the ones that MachV sells, 16x1.5 to -08AN. Turns out both ports on my filter housing were re-tapped to 3/8 NTP threads. So my fittings are too small. I'll throw the correct fittins in when they arrive this week. Until them, JB Quick is keeping the oil and fittings where they belong.

I also located the cooler vertically, on the passenger side just in front of the radiator. Sleepyvr4 made some nice brackets for it. It gets nice and hot, but is cooling the oil with 80* air rather than 210* coolant.


Edited by CP (06/03/06 09:35 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 348938 posted 06/12/06 03:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did anyone one find that some filters don't work with this housing? I think the Mobil 1 filters' gasket is too small for the external cooler housing. Mine has been leaking slightly since I installed it a few weeks ago. I just picked up a NAPA Gold filter, and the gasket has a much larger diameter than the Mobil filters. Hopefully this will put a final end to my leaks.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 348963 posted 06/12/06 04:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lookin good Cy. You should weld the pipe, not JB weld just in case.

I think that I'm going to do the old NT waterpipe on my car when I take the motor out. The turbo contributes to high water temps in road racing when you run water through it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 348990 posted 06/12/06 06:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Here's what I'm talking about...



Good suggestion Alex. I'm not sure how long these rubber plugs will last. That may be on the list for my next visit ;^) I'm not sure if I'll need to have you tech the car again for COM on the 4th of July.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349111 posted 06/13/06 06:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Could someone post some installation pics? I've got mine with the stock lines and my AC fan had to go because of it. I would like (very much) to figure out an installation with AC intact. I'm also most curious about the line routing.

And one more dumb question: How necessary is the NT water pipe, really? I'm running it just with the lines blocked off (only leaked once) ...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349112 posted 06/13/06 06:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I am doing mine tonight, I will try to remember to take some pics.

I just looped the coolant lines, but haven't started it yet.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349119 posted 06/13/06 07:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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How necessary is the NT water pipe, really? I'm running it just with the lines blocked off (only leaked once) ...




Ask Doug Thomas how necessary it is. A fitting on either the waterpipe or the t-stat housing that a certain shop plugged with a piece of hose and a bolt pretty much cost him his car. Give yourself the piece of mind and get either a NT one or a 1990 one that you can easily put a proper brass plug into the turbo coolant feed line.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349122 posted 06/13/06 07:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've got some rubber plugs and hose clamps that are standing in for the time being. I don't think you want to plug the coolant lines to the turbo (unless you aren't running a turbo that needs coolant for temp moderation), but rather the ones to the stock oil filter housing. There's one on the t-stat housing, and another on the big water pipe over by the PS pump.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349123 posted 06/13/06 07:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ryan, this is the only picture I have showing where DSG mounted my oil cooler.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349127 posted 06/13/06 08:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349133 posted 06/13/06 08:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Mine is generally in the same spot, but sits up a bit more behind the passenger side of the grill. I tried to replicate Scott's cooler placement.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349135 posted 06/13/06 09:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The one on the t-stat housing is easily plugged if you pull the nipple out with a pair of pliers, tap it just a few turns with a 1/8" NPT tap and put a 1/8" NPT plug in the hole. I'd recommend some JB Weld on the plug to ensure there are no leaks. You can remove the water pipes to the turbo if you want, its a topic that'd be open for debate but if you turbo time the car and have an oil cooler I don't think it'd be a problem.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 349152 posted 06/13/06 10:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I did that removal and plugging of the nipple coming from the thermo housing as well John, but IIRC, it is bigger than 1/8" NPT. Should be easy to determine size if someone does it though. Process is same as outlined regardless of size.



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