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Blew my motor becase of oil filter failure


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136691 posted 08/17/13 02:20 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yep it happen to me. Motor blew up because I used the wrong oil filter. WIX filters are garbage. Newbs pay attention. Genuine Mitsubishi or Bosch only. Now I gotta spend $2000 to get 654/2000 back to 30psi of boost.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136694 posted 08/17/13 02:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Huh? Wix (Napa Gold) filters are awesome. I've been using them for over a decade now, zero issues.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136696 posted 08/17/13 02:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Whats up dude long time no hear. Congrats on the competition. I have said for a long time, I wish my car was as clean as yours... That filter blew up on me. It had about 1000 miles on it. I know it was a freak mishap. But it is what it is. I drive hard and needed a rebuild anyways. That 4 inch down pipe could be a contributing factor for failure because of location proximity. I bought the filter relocation kit and 654 should be back on the road in two weeks.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136697 posted 08/17/13 03:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I run Wix/napa gold all the time with no issues. Might be something else causing your issue.!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136698 posted 08/17/13 03:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks!

So what exactly happened to the filter? I've never heard of anybody having an issue with a Wix or Napa Gold. Hell, for all the shit we all talk about Fram filters, I've never known one to actually cause an engine failure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136701 posted 08/17/13 03:33 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the only filter I wouldn't run is the mobil1 due to the round o-ring since they seem to be the most common ones to back off and let the oil puke. If you're running a 4" downpipe with a stock location filter I imagine your clearance is very, very tight.

Heat issue? I have my filter mounted where the abs pump was.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136733 posted 08/17/13 02:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

Thanks!

So what exactly happened to the filter? I've never heard of anybody having an issue with a Wix or Napa Gold. Hell, for all the shit we all talk about Fram filters, I've never known one to actually cause an engine failure.




I have, one DSM friend out here and another out in SC had instances of the Wix filters backing off under boost.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136734 posted 08/17/13 03:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Boost causes oil filters to back off



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136739 posted 08/17/13 04:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting raptorreed:

Quoting turbowop:

Thanks!

So what exactly happened to the filter? I've never heard of anybody having an issue with a Wix or Napa Gold. Hell, for all the shit we all talk about Fram filters, I've never known one to actually cause an engine failure.




I have, one DSM friend out here and another out in SC had instances of the Wix filters backing off under boost.




How does that even work? I recently changed to a front facing OFH in hopes of better clearance.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136752 posted 08/17/13 06:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting marvinmadman:

Boost causes oil filters to back off




This.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136774 posted 08/17/13 09:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
hey Slug what kit is that?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136775 posted 08/17/13 09:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you have an issue with filters backing off run a k&n and safety wire it. They come pre drilled for wire.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136807 posted 08/18/13 04:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Spyder:

hey Slug what kit is that?



Not really a kit, and I don't know where all the parts came from at this point. Summit has kits though. The big benefit to mine is that it's got two clean outputs, so I run the turbo from one, and the cooler from the other. I've got an external thermostat (180*) that allows only 10% through the cooler when it's below temp just to maintain pressure.



I'm using the forward facing housing, because even with 90* fittings, I can't clear the downpipe with the NT (standard direction) housing. To be fair, I have a T67 with 3" downpipe on an HKS manifold so things are a little cramped as is.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136814 posted 08/18/13 10:33 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting donniekak:

If you have an issue with filters backing off run a k&n and safety wire it. They come pre drilled for wire.




Little race/streetbike tip. Regular filter with a worm clamp around it also gives you a place to safety wire it on. But I have nothing against K&N filters either.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136816 posted 08/18/13 11:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Buy a few pieces of bar-stock and have anyone with a mig welder (or whatever) put one of these together for ya.







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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136822 posted 08/18/13 12:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That's sucks Junius, whose rebuilding it for you? And that's awesome^ can you produce and sell these?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136829 posted 08/18/13 01:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Most of the time when a filter is backing off it's actually from the stud backing out of the housing. The liquid oil cooler has that stud that bolts in onto the housing and the filter attaches at the other end. If not tightened properly and probably loctite'd, it will back off. People think its the filter because they turn the filter and the leak stops and temporarily fixes the problem. Beware that over-tightening the bolt crushes the delicate sandwich inside the cooler. Which then causes your oil to mix with your coolant.

Been tinkering and building DSMs since 1996 and honestly all of the filters are usually pretty good. I've seen a few double seals (not making sure the old one came off)and the bolt backing out. But other than that, I've never seen a filter actually 'fail'. It's rare for a filter to fail. Of course these are items that are made millions at a time and only spot checked, so failures can happen.

Wiz



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136918 posted 08/19/13 10:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting brunoboy:

...can you produce and sell these?




No sir, in fact this was just a picture of one that I saved when I saw it forever ago because I thought it was a good idea. AMS used to make something similar and ship it with their motors, and I have one that does the same thing but it's a different design. Essentially it's just the circular portion of the clamp with a peg that sticks out, you put it on the filter, tighten the clamp, and the peg rests on the block. That way if the filter tries to back off the peg stops the filter from rotating. Anyways, feel free to copy the idea, you could probably make one with a piece or two of bar stock and some JB weld if you wanted.



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Edited by Street Surgeon (08/19/13 10:39 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136924 posted 08/19/13 11:51 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I run purolator pure one oil filters and have never had one back off. Hell they are fairly hard to get off when I change the oil. I will never use a wix filter again after using one on my grandmothers car. When I changed the oil after the the rubber piece on the inside was gone. It was there when I installed it so I'm guessing it got sucked through the motor. The car still runs years later but that freaked me out.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136925 posted 08/19/13 11:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Wizardawd:

Most of the time when a filter is backing off it's actually from the stud backing out of the housing. The liquid oil cooler has that stud that bolts in onto the housing and the filter attaches at the other end. If not tightened properly and probably loctite'd, it will back off. People think its the filter because they turn the filter and the leak stops and temporarily fixes the problem.

Wiz




THIS!!! I new a guy that lost a motor in his galant a couple weeks after he bought the car this same way.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136943 posted 08/19/13 03:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I dumped out 4 qts of oil on the interstate due to this. Lol. I use red locktite on the center "stud" all the time now. Well before the 90 style housing.


To the original poster, I want to see pics. I've never heard of blowing an engine due to a faulty wix filter. Even if it dumped all the oil out and you lost pressure, I doubt it blew the engine, unless you kept running it anyway and in that case it's your fault for not noticing the dummy light or oil pressure gauge.

If the filter cartridge failed due to a rupture, then you may want to document the crap out of it and call wix. You might get some compensation.



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Edited by prove_it (08/19/13 03:30 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136950 posted 08/19/13 03:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've never had any filter back off of either GVR4 I've owned. I've used Wix/NapaGold filters on 1051 ever since I can remember. Back to like '01 or so. I used whatever was cheap on 503. Wix/Fram/whatever. I didn't care. Both cars had properly torqued and red loctited center studs though. I even mark the filters and housing with a sharpie to see if they move between oil change intervals. I've never had one move from the spot I tightened it to.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136952 posted 08/19/13 03:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah filters don't just back off. Some other type of hackery is usually to blame.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136953 posted 08/19/13 04:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
reminds me of the time when my oil pressure switch fell out of #555, and i noticed a lot of black on the road behind me...that almost gave me a heart attack. thankfully didn't do any collateral damage though...as far as I know.



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Edited by BpuVR4 (08/19/13 04:02 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1136954 posted 08/19/13 04:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
The reason the filter backs off is over tightening the oil filter. For example you overtighten the filter and when you take it loose it loosens the center stud, but not completely. Filter still comes off and a new one goes on. Problem is that now the center stud is no longer properly torqued after a couple of these filter changes the housing gets loose enough that with vibration the filter will start to spin loose. Oil pressure helps with that too. It doesn't take much to lose oil fast. That's why red locktite and a torqued center stud are important. Before I had my 90 style OFH, I would always check the stud for proper torque. Had an issue, once. Filter came out with the stud still attached.



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