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5 lug conversion process - Updated 3/17/09 - Now Done


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765211 posted 03/02/09 08:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Iceman helped me put all the pieces together for this job. I hope to start the removal process of the 4 lug stuff this weekend (if the weather holds). I hope to take lots of pics to help clear up the mystery of this job. I still have questions on the exact way of getting everything apart and put back together without taking too much apart.

For a parts list, see this thread. click

The brakes are for a 1993 Talon AWD (if your keeping the stock calipers).

Here is the first pic.


More to follow.



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Edited by Terry Posten (03/17/09 07:22 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765223 posted 03/02/09 08:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What rotors are those Terry?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765234 posted 03/02/09 08:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I got them from Brakemotive76 from Ebay. I had to call them for the exact parts because they were not listed. They confirmed the rotor sizes for front and rear to make sure I get the right parts. Came complete with rotors and ceramic pads. They came to my door in 2 days. Super fast.

I bought 2 complete sets (one for me and 1 for Jeremy Clark) and paid something like $235ish shipped per set.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765237 posted 03/02/09 08:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice. They look like nice rotors.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765239 posted 03/02/09 08:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The boxes are marked "Powerstop" just like the pads. I hope they hold up.

But they do look kinda small inside the new 17" wheels.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765240 posted 03/02/09 09:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

But they do look kinda small inside the new 17" wheels




Thats a big reason I stay with 16in wheels. It makes my 12.2 wilwoods look big.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765243 posted 03/02/09 09:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Size pics with 17" wheels.

Front

Rear

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765263 posted 03/02/09 09:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yay, I was just going to start assembling parts and preparing to post stupid questions for a 5 speed swap so I'm pretty excited your doing this.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765282 posted 03/02/09 10:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice work man.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765284 posted 03/02/09 10:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You using those lug nuts with those wheels? They don't look to be the shank washer style?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765290 posted 03/02/09 11:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yep they are. Genuine OEM Mitsu. They have the shank and the washer. Directly from the factory (literally).



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765291 posted 03/02/09 11:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What did the front wheel bearings and seals run you? I need a set for my mirage real soon here!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765295 posted 03/02/09 11:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
PM sent.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765303 posted 03/02/09 11:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Bout time you put on some real shoes



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765318 posted 03/03/09 01:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What do those wheels come off? Seem kind of trendy and aftermarket for (based on the mitsi center cap) seem to be factory wheels.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765322 posted 03/03/09 01:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
97-99 Eclipse GSX and 3rd gen eclipse






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765487 posted 03/03/09 03:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Terry won those wheels as a door prize at MOD '08 last October.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765562 posted 03/03/09 05:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Great thread so far... more pics please...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765577 posted 03/03/09 06:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Top pic is the two piece original wheels of this design, used on the 97-99 GSX, ans some 3rd gen V6s in 2000 MY.

The second pic is actually the one piece cast wheel that looks nearly identical from a distance, but is actually different construction. They were used on 2001-02 MY Eclipse 3rd gen I think.

Quoting slobra:

97-99 Eclipse GSX and 3rd gen eclipse









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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765976 posted 03/04/09 08:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
OK, first real post for the process.

I will leave out the stuff about jack stands and tire removal. If you can't manage that, don't even start .

Starting on the rear:

The first thing to do is remove caliper. I just did a full rear brake job less than 300 miles ago so this came apart really easy. I pulled the e-brake cable completely out of the way. I did not mess with the caliper bolts, I just removed the 14mm bolts (2) so the whole bracket assembly fell away. I then just flipped it up and out of the way without breaking the lines loose. I am planning on reusing the stock calipers. The rotors came away with a few hits with a dead-blow hammer. Most of the time, rear rotors will not come off that easy, but they are brand new and were not rusted on.

Caliper stored away


I then removed the axle bolts from the cups (again, this was easy because I did a 4-bolt swap early last year and I used all stainless hardware. I left the axles in the center diff and just wedged the axle forward and let them rest on the lower control arm. I then used an impact gun and removed the large locking nut that holds the cup on. I did not have to use a bar to keep the hub from spinning. I was able to just hold the hub still with my hand. (Gotta love powerful impact guns).

Axle stored away


Once the cup is off, I used a dead-blow hammer and hit the threaded end of the hub to knock it out of the carrier. It came out WAY to easy. The rear bearings were shot. Looks like I should have done this a few years ago. If your hub has good bearings, it most likely will not come out very easily. If your going to reuse/sell the old 4 bolt hubs, protect the threaded end by spinning the nut back on the treads so that the nut is damaged and not the threads.

The only thing left to do is pop out the inner bearing and oil seal. I found that the socket I have for the front axle nuts is a perfect size so I put that into the hub with a 4" extension (1/2" drive) and used the dead-blow hammer and tapped it out. This did not come out to easily. I did have to use some force for this and once the bearing let go, the seal, bearing, and socket went flying. So be careful not to have fragile stuff around the car while working.

"special tool"

"special tool" used


I took a few minutes to clean the inner "hole" up and then put a very thin layer of axle grease over all the fresh metal to keep it from oxidizing because it will be a few days before I can slide the new hub in. If your going to re-assemble right away, grease is not needed.

I then turned my attention to all those shinny new parts shown at the beginning of this thread.

Here is a parts blow-up courtesy of Mitsu manual


Slide the two dust caps onto the hub as shown in this pic. Just tap them gently down with a small dead-blow hammer.


I own a GVR4, so I am "crafty". I find ways to make tools and such. This one is a very simple way of doing bearings without buying a press.

I have a very heavily built bench (that I built from leftover deck lumber). So I used a large spade-bit and drilled a hole through the far corner of the top, right next to a 4x4 leg. I then slide the outer bearing onto the shaft (after coating the rubber lip side of the bearing with axle grease) and then slid the whole thing into the hole in the bench. (I did not have the wheel studs in the hub yet.) I did that step last but took the pics after I was done.


I then used an old junk viscous clutch as a buffer from the 10lb hammer and drove the outer bearing down and then the ASB ring.(Again, ignore the wheel studs, they were not there when I was seating the bearings.)


I then installed the wheel studs because it is very easy to do on the bench instead of trying to get them fully seated once on the car. I just used a 16oz hammer and my bench vice. tapped them flush to the back side of the hub.

I will not be installing the hubs into the arm until I can clean/respray the wheel well.

More to come this weekend.



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Edited by Terry Posten (03/04/09 09:03 PM)

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looking nice .....g/l

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 766126 posted 03/05/09 08:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Keep those pics coming! I'm gunna have to do the rear on 139. Front was already done though.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 766315 posted 03/05/09 07:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
OK, today was all about pretty. No real progress other than making the overall finished product a little better looking.

Took me about 2 hours to clean and paint. I did not do a 100% job but things are looking a LOT better.


Used High temp (1200 deg) Silver spray paint for the calipers and Rustoleum, flat black oil based paint. Brushed on in a VERY heavy coat.

Tomorrow the rear hubs go on. Wish me luck .



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 766769 posted 03/07/09 12:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
OK, today I spent about 7 hours on the job.

I started by finishing up the rear which took about 3 hours. Would have been faster IF I would have installed the rear outer seal in the right direction . The rubber flared side goes OUT toward the 4 bolt cup. No biggie, I just popped them out with a small pry bar and flipped them. Did not damage anything.

I did end up renting a bearing punch kit from Autozone. It was the only way to get the rear outer bearing fully seated in the hub. Once the outer bearing and seal was in, I slid the hub assembly into the control arm and then used a dead-blow hammer to seat the rear hub fully. It was not hard at all. I then used the 1/2" impact to spin the 4 bolt cup nut down and torqued the piss out of it. The book calls for 160lb.

The rear brakes look great. Can't wait to mount tires into the wells and see how it looks. I will be ordering the tires on Monday.

Rear finished pics.



Now onto the front. Took the brakes off last night. Today I removed the complete hub assembly from the car. Pretty simple. Dropped the tie-rod, un-did the axle nut, ripped the ABS crap out, dropped the brake line from the strut, used a pry bar to pry up and hit the ball joint mount a few times and the joint popped loose, removed the lower strut bolts and lifted out the whole thing. Spent about 2 hours punching out the old bearings and cleaned the hubs up and readied them for a trip to Midas in the morning to have them pressed back together. I did use a propane torch to heat the front bearing outer race before attempting to punch it out. They came but Autozone might not be to happy with me. I marked up a few of the bearing block plates. .

I then spent quite a bit of time degreasing the wheel well area. It was caked on. I used 2 cans of brake cleaner and got it pretty good. I then used the same paint as I did in the back. Painted the calipers silver and the wheel wells flat black. I need to get a passenger side splash shield for the tranny. I have never had one.

I did find one bad tie rod end and have it ready to go on. It really was still good but the boot was ripped and there is no point in not replacing it now. I will get it tomorrow morning. I don't need the other side because it was replaced a year ago.

Some quick pics. Paint is still wet. Again, not a 100% job. This car is not #3 condition.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 766867 posted 03/07/09 03:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
OK, fronts are done.

Paint is still a little wet. It is raining out and very humid and probably a little cold for optimum drying. No big deal, it will be a week before the tires are here.

Nothing really exciting about this part of the job. I got the hub assembly back from Midas and it only took about an hour to install both sides and get the brakes done.



This whole process did not take as long as I was thinking. I have not pulled the ABS motor and install the new brake lines yet. For right now, I will just pull the fuses and do the whole ABS tear out latter. I am going to leave the rear sensors in place because if I take them out, it will leave a hole in the rear arm/hub to collect dirt/water.







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Edited by Terry Posten (03/07/09 03:27 PM)

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