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Re: 3G or EVO MAS wiring


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 174334 posted 01/18/05 10:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No, the K85W had a 2.4l. The K86W and K96W had a 3.0 liter.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 174338 posted 01/18/05 11:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Must have been a 3.0 then..DOH!!



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Edited by Ian M (01/18/05 11:02 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178375 posted 01/29/05 12:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just picked up the 482 MAS today and Keydiver came through also with flying colors (as usual). The chip came today also.

I will order the 550 injectors Monday and I hope to have the whole setup installed on next Saturday.

I am looking forward to having this tested setup in my car.

Here are a few pics. I will try and take a complete, before, during, and after set of pics. I have been looking to do this for a year now. I just did not want to use a 2g setup or go through the headache of a GM setup.

Here are a few starting pics.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178396 posted 01/29/05 02:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Installed on my stock one that I am trying very hard to not modify (and not succeeding )
Tom

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178406 posted 01/29/05 03:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Bling! Bling!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178408 posted 01/29/05 03:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Oh, by the way, here is how I resolved my "leak" becuse I didn't have a place for the BCS to connect to:

I drilled a 1/8" hole on the intake hose, and JB Welded a LONG pop-rivet into the hole. Works perfect!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178425 posted 01/29/05 05:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok i have a couple questions. if i just wanted this maf, and to use stock injctors, your chip will correct for this right jeff? as in i wont need an afc? also, tom, whered you get the filter adaptor for this mas?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178444 posted 01/29/05 06:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The adapters are the same for a 2g and a 3g, so it is available at almost any of the vendors that cator to us.
To answer your to Jeff question, my car is stock (as in even has stock exhaust); and the www.dsmchips.com eprom eliminates the need for an SAFC.
Tom

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178474 posted 01/29/05 08:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I believe that air filter was from eBay, but I don't remember exactly. Like Tom said, any 2G air filter will fit the 3G MAS.
The Hz output of the 3G is almost 40% lower for the same airflow as a 1G MAS, so what I do to the chip to correct for the 3G MAS is threefold:
1) I change the MAS compensation map so that the injectors use the proper pw for the airflow coming in
2) I change the multiplier used to determine which timing and A/F map to use
3) I change the Hz at which the ECU decides which fueltrim to update
These three things together should make the 3G MAS function perfectly, I know it sure feels good in #880.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178479 posted 01/29/05 08:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Like this nice K&N with a metal adapter:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7951159713&rd=1
This one *might* even fit inside the stock aircan:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7951142637&rd=1
Cheap:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7951069447&rd=1
This one looks a little nasty:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7950962999&rd=1
Another cheap one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7950773428&rd=1
This might be like Tom's:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7950456030&rd=1

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 178528 posted 01/30/05 01:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
thanks guys, thats great info. im really interested in this cause i know my air flow is hurting. i think ill change it all out at the same time, and this sounda much more promising than a 2g. awesome. can we have this posted in the how to section for the wiring purposes?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 180731 posted 02/05/05 12:19 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Here is my first update:

I ordered an air filter w/2g flange from Ebay Monday night. I ordered 550 injectors from DSMparts also on Monday at 1:30pm.

The air filter stuff was sitting on my door step this afternoon (Friday), and it came from CA in 4 days using UPS ground.

When ordering the injectors from DSMparts, I asked if they had them in stock and they said YES. I told them I needed them on Friday. They told me to pay the extra fee for 3 day select so they would be here. So I did. Well, guess what. They are not here. I called at 5:00pm today (as soon as I got home) and they said they can't get me any shipping info because they are just an ordering parts line. They said that they can't get me any info until Monday morning. This is bullshit. By Tuesday morning (Feb 1st 1:30am) I received 2 e-mails from them confirming the order, and approving the payment. Very bad customer support.

I will never buy parts from DSMparts again.

I will tell all of my Friends not to buy from them either.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 181449 posted 02/07/05 08:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I will add this to my "BAD VENDOR" thread as soon as it is "approved"

DSM parts called today. There first story was that the injectors WILL be (yes, as in not sent yet) sent directly from RC Eng.

My first reply was "So, your sales staff lied to me about them being in stock just to make the sale!" They stumbled a bit.

Then I asked for a tracking number. They put me on hold for 10 minutes (on my cell phone) and then came back and said that they will now be coming from their "Midwest" warehouse. Again, I asked for a tracking number. They said that they don't get tracking numbers from that warehouse. So I asked "where is your "Midwest" warehouse?" They just said "The Midwest". I asked 3 times and their answer was still the same. "The Midwest". What tools!!!

I got home and signed into there site and clicked on there order status tab and got the info about being Fedexed from RC Eng.

I will call RC Eng tomorrow and see if they have a shipment being drop-shipped directly.

Again, DO NOT USE DSMparts.com.

How long does the "bad guy" mods need to "approve" my post?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 181788 posted 02/08/05 08:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Sorry about this, but I need to vent.

This is the last time I will post about this, except to move it to "Bad Vendor" when it becomes available.

Today, they finally told me that the injectors were 3 days out from THEIR warehouse. Then they would forward them on to me, and that would be another 3 days.

I canceled my order. I will shop elsewhere.

They never even said that they were sorry once. Very bad way to do business.

Potential customers beware, go somewhere else.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 195947 posted 03/21/05 08:42 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Installed the cyclone intake manifold to compliment the 3g MAS yesterday. First impression after driving is the smooth power delivery. Very had to tell it has a turbo (except by sound).

Car is almost stock:

Keydiver Eprom
510cc inj
2 1/2 turbo back exhaust (with cat)
Cyclone intake manifold

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 195966 posted 03/21/05 09:15 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Tom, show them how you mounted the coil pack!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 195971 posted 03/21/05 09:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did you have to grind alot off the Cyclone bracket to clear the AC?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 196008 posted 03/21/05 12:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The bracket that goes from the block to the intake manifold did not get installed yet. It will not work without some modifications. Going to set a motor up on the bench and mod one that way-then install it on the car.
Here is a pic of the coil pack mounting. I installed tape on the wires just to give them some added support as they are vulnerable sticking up the way they do. (and yes, it needs redone, lol).

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 198104 posted 03/26/05 03:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just got done modifying my Cyclone bracket to fit:

I also took someone else's hint about grinding the ears off to make accessing the bolts easier:

Its going to be slightly more complicated by the 3/8" phenolic spacer, so I had to hack even more off than usual. But, it seems to look good:

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 198269 posted 03/26/05 11:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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2G = 2700 Hz MAX at .1153 Hz per liter = 311 liters per second
3G = 2200 Hz MAX at .1478 Hz per liter = 325 liters per second





Not exactly up on my airflow levels with popular turbos and boost levels, but 2200Hz should be good for say...E3/20G/sleeper 16G at around 20psi?

Great info Jeff. I currently have the MAFT fad and I think it's garbage; considering i'm not looking for more than 300whp in #1948 (daily driven) I think this would be a great mod. Do you think it's necessary to have the stock aircan to support the MAS?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 198284 posted 03/27/05 12:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't have anything left of the stock air can.

Check it out:
http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB10&Number=187562&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

The top stock air pipe is plenty support for a 3G and a cone filter. Will be awesome for a 300 - 400 hp car. And sooooo smooth.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 198801 posted 03/28/05 10:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I plan to do it like Terry on my car that remains mostly stock.

In case you need a 3g maf...

http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=197529&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 198972 posted 03/28/05 04:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Are they good for more power than a 2g mas?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 199073 posted 03/28/05 09:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, it flows more air and that means you can feed a bigger turbo w/o restriction.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 199172 posted 03/29/05 06:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quote:

Are they good for more power than a 2g mas?




Keydiver has tested them to flow the virtual equivalent of the Evo VIII mas. They are used on Mitsu V6s up to 3.5 liters.



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