In need of resurrection

[1990ggsxnj]

This came from the For Sales threads but figured I would throw it out to General. Nate getting a little heat about the part-out's which brought up a question in my mind. This since we are ALL responsible for the lifespan of our community and, by extension, the cars that bring us to them.

Quoting NateCrisman:
Hey at least when I buy one, the parts of that car get used to improve someone else's car. This GVR4 was rotting in the prev owners driveway for over a year. And the same thing with the guy before that. That IMO is even worse than a partout.

There was ZERO interest in anyone buying this car to fix up, it sat on galantvr4.org's for sale section for months and months with zero interest. It would have ended up in the junkyard regardless of if I bought it or someone else bought it as a project (and they became a lawn ornament for the third time).

Just wait till I get the capital going to start buying nice clean Evo8's and gutting them.



To be honest, I've seen old coronets and such from that era fixed up after a lot of rust. Took welding but they were fixed. Yes our cars are solid so it's not like we can drop a frame and replace it, but there are a lot of rotting cars out there that CAN be repaired. I don't understand why our "class" of gearheads can't have the same determination as previous. Especially with limited runs as the VR4's are.

Anyways, yes, better parted than just scrapped from where they stood.

 

Amen sister

 

[1990ggsxnj]

I've welded but not to the extend of frame repair. Looking into a few friends on other boards for leads on people who really know what they are doing and don't play around with getting things done on time. In the least it will be a reference for others who may need their expertise on here.

 

[NateCrisman]

The way I look at the situation is this:

There are more GVR4 cars than there are true GVR4 enthusiasts. Yes, it's a rare car with low production #. BUT just about every GVR4 enthusiast already owns one already. This is pretty much fact as there are always plenty of gvr4s on the car: for sale section that sit for months and months. Even the really nice ones with heavy modifications that are asking less than 1/2 the cost of just the mods alone aren't selling.

I really could see everyone's "shame in a partout" if there was any inkling of demand for the cars whole, but there just isn't. If it that important to you guys that one never gets parted out and crushed, then why are you not buying up these cars since they are cheap with no demand. Why? Because you already have one or two already that may be nicer.

Personally, I already own 931/2000. Im looking to pick up another shell that is in nicer condition to avoid bodywork & paint. But after I swap all my drivetrain and modifications onto the better shell, what am I to do with my 200k mile "dented & peeling" rolling chassis (TMU title too)? I'm sure you guys will try to crucify me, but my bet is that there will be no interest in the shell and my only choice to be rid of it is a part out & scrap. If someone wants to give me $1500 (worth about than that to part out) for #931 as a rolling shell I'd be glad to sell it like that. But my guess is I could offer it at $500 and it will still kill a 16'x5' spot of grass in my yard.

I sure as hell don't need two of these cars to work on, and I won't keep it as a lawn ornament!

 

[jepherz]

Agreed. It sucks to see one crushed, but it happens every day with all sorts of other "rare" cars none of us even know about anyways.

 

[Nate]

Nate,
I don't blame you one bit. These cars are apparently worth a lot in pieces, and not worth crap when together and running well.

There is no shame in your game. Part with pride.

 

[iLLeffeKt vr-4]

I don't blame you either. You do what you gotta do and everyone should stay out of your business. Its your car and you can do anything you want to it.
If you want to crush it and then post pics here that's fine too.
I'm almost in the same situation, spent a lot of time and money on my car yet no one wants to pay 7k for it.
I will not give it away for chump change so I'd rather crush it and get it over with.

 

[1990ggsxnj]

Exactly! If anyone wants to give heat they should just step up and buy the cars themselves and fix them. You can't just throw crap at someone and sit there on your computer typing..getting pissed off.. when you don't do a darn thing to try and save a car (which you don't want to see go) yourself. If you're of the opinion it shouldn't be scrapped, than take it and fix it, End of story. It's possible with the right tools, knowledge, and/or the right person to do the job.

 

[prove_it]

It's sad to see them get parted out. But it's kinda like organ donating. The had it's life then was left to die, then cut up so many more could live. In the end the ones who survived will be the best of the best. That's what makes it a classic import muscle car.

 

[4wheelsqueal]

I do hate to see them crushed when they still have some life left in them. that's why i have three of them in my driveway. that said, i agree that you have to do what you have to do. if you don't want more than one and no one is buying, in the end it's your car and you are entitled to do with it as you please. if the economy wasn't so bad and i was still working, i'd be tempted to grab a few more shells on here and rebuild them. however the wife has already started loading the gun and if i bring home another one, there may be three for sale VERY cheap! and Nate, if you're gonna part #931, i'll probably buy parts for mine from you.

 

[gmp]

Quoting prove_it:
It's sad to see them get parted out. But it's kinda like organ donating. The had it's life then was left to die, then cut up so many more could live. In the end the ones who survived will be the best of the best. That's what makes it a classic import muscle car.


yeah donate life! 1 grvr4 can save many for the common good of the species.....

 

[conquesttsi]

Part outs are a part of life. I am happy to have my Galant and My 2 17 yr old dsms, unfortunatly it's not cheap to keep 3 17 yr old cars on the road, thanks to part outs it becomes a bit more affordable. Part outs are never a lost cause. Often Times you can get them as a shell, that's all you really need anyways. It's better than buying someone elses problems. That Galant Nate Parted was worthless body wise for a restoration. The underside looked like swiss cheese, I think that car did more for the community in parts. Didn't look like anyone had reservations when it came to buying them either, I know I didn't. Also as a seller if your car is in really bad condition, often times you can make more in peices.

My cars are like vampires that require fresh blood to survive.

 

[gtluke]

i've brought this up several times, this site is dedicated to our enjoyment of our cars but we are SUPPORTING them being crushed. ridiculous!

 

[slugsgomoo]

it makes mine worth more /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hsught.gif

 

[iLLeffeKt vr-4]

Well....what's the solution then? I don't know about you but I'm not going to give my shell away for free when I can get $$$ for it at the scrap yard or even more if it gets parted out /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

 

[NateCrisman]

Quoting gtluke:
i've brought this up several times, this site is dedicated to our enjoyment of our cars but we are SUPPORTING them being crushed. ridiculous!



Maybe the club needs to work harder at bring in new members to buy up all the cars for sale when current members move on. The problem is not that anyone would rather crush a GVR4 than save it. The problem is the club does not have enough members and demand to keep it's own supply of cars with good owners.

It is hypocritical to complain about owners parting out a GVR4 when you don't aquire and fix these cars that are for sale forever. I think it's ridiculously hypocritical to complain about cars being crushed when you yourself buy used parts for your own car.

And how is ME sending MY unwanted car to the crusher infringing on YOUR ability to enjoy YOUR car. YOU and everyone else in the club had plenty of chance to enjoy/rebuild/buy/fix #828 but you didn't, you let it rot for 2 years before I crushed it.

The way I look at it, I did a service to the GVR4 club by improving the middle of the herd with good parts and at the same time culling the weak from the bottom.

By your policy that no GVR4 should ever be parted, this club would die even faster as EVERY car goes to sh*t at the same rate. Saving every single GVR4 is impractical is pretty much pointless as there aren't enough people to want the nice running cars currently. If every GVR4 was a non running - half finished lawn ornament with missing interior and body parts: how does that help the club enjoy these cars?

Impossible to tell, but how many GVR4's were "saved from going downhill" by the availability of affordable replacement parts via part out of another?

The way I see it, the club/cars will survive longer by keeping the 1000 best cars in good condition even if it means the 250 worst condition ones go to scrap for parts. That's the better option compared to 3000 non running piles of junk.

You want to increase the club and keep these cars from dying? Bring in more club memebers to increase demand for the whole cars.

And current club members stop being cheap ass dsmers: Call up parts vendor and buy new performance parts next time they want to upgrade instead of buying a used one here. Call up the dealer and pay $1000 for a set of wagon wheels or $1500 for a new gvr4 trans instead of getting a $75/$200 part from a GVR4 partout. If the club is against parting out cars, you better shut down that FOR SALE board because that is the biggest supporter of the cars going to the crusher.

 

[CarRacer]

Sounds like gtluke supports socialism for his car. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif


I'm with Andrew. Every car that dies makes mine worth more. If we can use parts from the ones at the end of their life cycle to extend other cars, great.

 

[NateCrisman]

Quoting NateCrisman:
Quoting gtluke:
i've brought this up several times, this site is dedicated to our enjoyment of our cars but we are SUPPORTING them being crushed. ridiculous!



Maybe the club needs to work harder at bring in new members to buy up all the cars for sale when current members move on. The problem is not that anyone would rather crush a GVR4 than save it. The problem is the club does not have enough members and demand to keep it's own supply of cars with good owners.

It is hypocritical to complain about owners parting out a GVR4 when you don't aquire and fix these cars that are for sale forever. I think it's ridiculously hypocritical to complain about cars being crushed when you yourself buy used parts for your own car.

And how is ME sending MY unwanted car to the crusher infringing on YOUR ability to enjoy YOUR car. YOU and everyone else in the club had plenty of chance to enjoy/rebuild/buy/fix #828 but you didn't, you let it rot for 2 years before I crushed it. The club failed that car. The club fails every car that ends up parted out on the For Sale section.

The way I look at it, I did a service to the GVR4 club by improving the middle of the herd with good parts and at the same time culling the weak from the bottom.

By your policy that no GVR4 should ever be parted, this club would die even faster as EVERY car goes to sh*t at the same rate. Saving every single GVR4 is impractical is pretty much pointless as there aren't enough people to want the nice running cars currently, let along the junkers being parted. If every GVR4 was a non running - half finished lawn ornament with missing interior and body parts: how does that help the club enjoy these cars?

Impossible to tell, but how many GVR4's were "saved from going downhill" by the availability of affordable replacement parts via part out of another?

The way I see it, the club/cars will survive longer by keeping the 1000 best cars in good condition even if it means the 250 worst condition ones go to scrap for parts. That's the better option compared to 3000 non running piles of junk.

You want to increase the club and keep these cars from dying? The problem is simple suppy/demand. Bring in more club memebers to increase demand for the whole cars. If you want to stop partouts, the club needs to bring in new members to buy up the available cars at realistic prices.

 

[gtluke]

here's how it's our business what you do with your car.
you are on galantvr4.org doing it. without "us" there is no gvr4.org, without the cars, there is no gvr4.org
i support socialistic ideas when they are elective god dammit.

 

[CarRacer]

Holy crap is that funny Luke. I'm putting that in my signature. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif