4thStroke
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Any 4g63 pros in Washington (Seattle) ?
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toybreaker
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Quoting moneypit:
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
wtf /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Care to back that diatribe up with some facts?
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
wtf /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Care to back that diatribe up with some facts?
moneypit
Well-known member
I didn't disappear off the face of the earth. A successful and honest business person doesn't just shutter the doors w/o announcement for no reason. Besides, it's all a mute point. Draw ur own conclusions. Ban me if u must.
4thStroke
Well-known member
I don't think anyone was coming at you, moneypit, he just asked for details. I'm also curious.
Andre is talented, so it sucks to see talent like that drop off. He did the motor swap in my car before I bought it, I wouldn't have been able to tell anyone was in there. I only remember finding just one zip tie holding a solenoid, all the bolts were in their correct location, etc. Andre also did the piping kit on Mark's car (turbowop), but I never did hear about how his whole experience worked out. Greg (the guy I bought my car from, a long time member, although not active) did have issues with Andre not caring about any sort of time line, and that seemed to be an issue everyone had across the board. Did he end up closing doors while still in possession of peoples belongings?
Andre is talented, so it sucks to see talent like that drop off. He did the motor swap in my car before I bought it, I wouldn't have been able to tell anyone was in there. I only remember finding just one zip tie holding a solenoid, all the bolts were in their correct location, etc. Andre also did the piping kit on Mark's car (turbowop), but I never did hear about how his whole experience worked out. Greg (the guy I bought my car from, a long time member, although not active) did have issues with Andre not caring about any sort of time line, and that seemed to be an issue everyone had across the board. Did he end up closing doors while still in possession of peoples belongings?
turbowop
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Andre has had his share of customer issues from what I've heard. I think he mostly got sick of poor DSM guys wanting sh*t for free and started working on other platforms. The only experience I have with him is the intercooler setup he fabbed for me in '03 and some exhaust work. I also knew him as a friend from the NWDSM group for years, not just as a paying customer that met him for the first time when I walked through the doors of his shop. I knew the guy when he worked out of his garage. He does great fab work and I wouldn't hesitate to trust him with my car. And I dont say that about many people.
If you had a bad experience with him, that sucks. I haven't talked to Andre in a year or so. I hope he's doing okay, but I'm sorry you had issues. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
If you had a bad experience with him, that sucks. I haven't talked to Andre in a year or so. I hope he's doing okay, but I'm sorry you had issues. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
coyotes
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All this talk but no one to help me with my car. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif take my money!
turbowop
Well-known member
Sorry, dude. If you were local I would look at it for you.
Wookalar
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Quoting moneypit:
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
Andre built me a badass SS tig welded perfect dimes 3" full exhaust with a stock looking magnaflow muffler for a talon like ten years ago, probably when you were still in your daddys bag.
Andre shipped me the exhaust to AZ from WA, it arrived in new perfect condition since someone of intelligence bubble wrapped the entire exhaust and boxed it correcty.
If you don't have evidence of those claims you shouldn't be talking sh*t, especially in a thread where someone is asking for help from a shop that has nothing to do with who you are hating on.
Putz
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
Andre built me a badass SS tig welded perfect dimes 3" full exhaust with a stock looking magnaflow muffler for a talon like ten years ago, probably when you were still in your daddys bag.
Andre shipped me the exhaust to AZ from WA, it arrived in new perfect condition since someone of intelligence bubble wrapped the entire exhaust and boxed it correcty.
If you don't have evidence of those claims you shouldn't be talking sh*t, especially in a thread where someone is asking for help from a shop that has nothing to do with who you are hating on.
Putz
Quoting moneypit:
I didn't disappear off the face of the earth. A successful and honest business person doesn't just shutter the doors w/o announcement for no reason. Besides, it's all a mute point. Draw ur own conclusions. Ban me if u must.
LOL, I'll draw my own conclusions as to what happened and it's in the next quote.
Quoting turbowop:
Andre has had his share of customer issues from what I've heard. I think he mostly got sick of poor DSM guys wanting sh*t for free and started working on other platforms.
Exact reason here, not worth the time or headache a $50 part and ChinaBay loving owner these cars attract anymore.
I didn't disappear off the face of the earth. A successful and honest business person doesn't just shutter the doors w/o announcement for no reason. Besides, it's all a mute point. Draw ur own conclusions. Ban me if u must.
LOL, I'll draw my own conclusions as to what happened and it's in the next quote.
Quoting turbowop:
Andre has had his share of customer issues from what I've heard. I think he mostly got sick of poor DSM guys wanting sh*t for free and started working on other platforms.
Exact reason here, not worth the time or headache a $50 part and ChinaBay loving owner these cars attract anymore.
moneypit
Well-known member
That was a decade ago. A lot has happened since then. You're right: sorry for the hijack, Coyotes.
coyotes
Well-known member
no problem really, I too have heard various things about pina so who knows. doesn't matter anymore though, they're gone.
toybreaker
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disclaimer
I'm not a local, so I *may* not be privvy to some things that *may* have happened on local boards, "shop drama" and the like.
I also consider Andre to be a good friend, so I'm "somewhat" biased
/disclaimer
Quoting moneypit:
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
This bothered me all day yesterday while I was at work.
I don't see a single fact here, just a buncha unsubstantiated bullshite.
... as far as I know, Andre did not "go under". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I *believe* he stepped back from the business for many of the same reasons I did
Many folks have no appreciation for what it takes to properly do a job, and bitch about the costs of keeping vintage machines in optimal condition.
... people "expect" you to fix damaged wiring, oil leaks and other things that are totally unrelated to the work you have estimated / quoted and agreed to do.
I usually do a walk thru with the owner, and point out any obvious problems, but there's always going to be some funkiness when you dive into a twenty year old turbo car with brittle wiring and crispy connectors.
I made it a policy to always call the customer to come down and see the situation for themselves when I ran into complications. After seeing it for themselves, I would let them make the call.
... seems like the folks who didn't want to address the issues while we were in there were the ones that bitched the loudest when their bucket had electrical problems and/or oil leaks.
Takes all the fun out of going to work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
In fact, situations like that are the reason I left the business!
I also makes bullshite you have written particularly irritating.
You make a post full of slander and damn strong (if not outright libelous) insinuation, give no specifics, and then shrug it off like it's no big deal.
... and you've done it before
Quoting moneypit:
I will never go to Pina, again. Horrible experience, multiple excuses, straight out lies, long turn around time, got the run around, I personally had to correct the shoddy work I originally paid them to do. I'd rather take the bus before they touch my car again. Don't know much about Boss.
(from this thread
Blunt like Mr Moneypit;
Man up and make a bad guy thread for Pina, and post up some facts.
Specifics of what he did, what you did, and the final outcome, and give the man a chance to respond
or
(and I mean this is the nicest way possible)
... STFU, junior.
Quoting moneypit:
I didn't disappear off the face of the earth. A successful and honest business person doesn't just shutter the doors w/o announcement for no reason. Besides, it's all a mute point. Draw ur own conclusions.
I've been able to get ahold of them man every time I called. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
... often from unfamiliar numbers as I was calling from a shop with a technical question.
As I said, I consider Andre a good friend, and a valuable resource on all things technical.
We've helped each other troubleshoot some "nemesis" cars.
He got his ass kicked by a 3000gtvr4, I got mine kicked by a twinturbo viper.
... it happens, (and anybody who says it doesn't hasn't been in the business long)
You learn a lot about a man when he's getting his ass kicked by a car.
good ones don't give up, ever
They see it to the end, and they're not happy untill the customer is happy.
I watched this man eat a substantial loss on that job because he wasn't happy with how it turned out and did what it took (out of his own pocket) to make it right.
... not to mention a lotta late nights / cold dinners, and a pissed off spouse
That showed me the character of the man better than any story I may read on the interweb.
As to why he got out of the business / closed up shop, that's nobodies business but his own.
He didn't (to the best of my knowledge) leave anybody hanging or any unfinished cars.
"shop drama" will always have asshats running their mouths trying to get in the good graces of the cool guys by bad mouthing the competition.
stories get told / rumours started, and sh*t just snowballs from there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
... the irony is that (in my personal experience) most of the cool guys will want nothing to do with anybody who says a bad word about anybody without a solid context.
... because they know as soon as they leave, they're gonna talk sh*t about you ...
fwiw, I learned this one the hard way
I'm no angel when it comes to sh*t talking.
... we had some "shop drama" out here a few years back
I stepped over the line a few times.
Had to take my lumps over it, and I learned a lot from the situation.
It was tough to step up and take responsibility for my actions, but I did what I had to do and moved on.
For me, it's just one of many mistakes I've made.
nobodies perfect, we all have room to grow.
Think about that the next time before you open your mouth and this whole excersise will be worth it.
I also feel like I need to address your slanderous comment about Andre committing "insurance fraud".
Your statement just shows your lack of understanding of how things work in the real world.
I remember talking to him about that incident at great length, because a very similiar thing happened to us as well.
Somebody close to him did that, a customer, employee, or a "friend" sure as sh*t.
... probably stood there, drinking his beer shooting the sh*t all the while they cased the joint for product placement / inventory.
You think he made a single dollar on that situation?
... for fucks sake, junior, open your eyes!
I've never had much luck with insurance companies in cases like this
Over the loss of ~20k, he got probably got paid half that, and they jacked his premiums for years.
In addition, when you know it was someone who's been in your shop long enough to case things out as well as they did, well that will stick in your craw
...and it make it hard to trust anyone.
And you wonder why he got out of the business ...
Quoting moneypit:
Ban me if u must.
Why would we ban you?
The best boards moderate themselves, and we *generally* don't ban folks from the .org unless they get waay out of hand.
It's not a thing we do here very often, and it's one of the reasons I love this board.
I'd rather have you stick around and learn from this experience.
[edit]
Quoting turbowop:
Andre has had his share of customer issues from what I've heard. I think he mostly got sick of poor DSM guys wanting sh*t for free and started working on other platforms. The only experience I have with him is the intercooler setup he fabbed for me in '03 and some exhaust work. I also knew him as a friend from the NWDSM group for years, not just as a paying customer that met him for the first time when I walked through the doors of his shop. I knew the guy when he worked out of his garage. He does great fab work and I wouldn't hesitate to trust him with my car. And I dont say that about many people.
If you had a bad experience with him, that sucks. I haven't talked to Andre in a year or so. I hope he's doing okay, but I'm sorry you had issues. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
The part in bold says it all /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'm not a local, so I *may* not be privvy to some things that *may* have happened on local boards, "shop drama" and the like.
I also consider Andre to be a good friend, so I'm "somewhat" biased
/disclaimer
Quoting moneypit:
Pina went under. Good riddance, I say. That shop ripped me off so bad my ass still hurts. Everybody keeps hyping up Pina. Who's actually had Pina work on their car? Yeah, that's what I thought. If there 's any justice "Grocery getter" lost everything including his house. Oh yeah, the alleged "break in" at the shop. Can you say INSURANCE FRAUD? Karma's a bitch, ain't it Andre.
This bothered me all day yesterday while I was at work.
I don't see a single fact here, just a buncha unsubstantiated bullshite.
... as far as I know, Andre did not "go under". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I *believe* he stepped back from the business for many of the same reasons I did
Many folks have no appreciation for what it takes to properly do a job, and bitch about the costs of keeping vintage machines in optimal condition.
... people "expect" you to fix damaged wiring, oil leaks and other things that are totally unrelated to the work you have estimated / quoted and agreed to do.
I usually do a walk thru with the owner, and point out any obvious problems, but there's always going to be some funkiness when you dive into a twenty year old turbo car with brittle wiring and crispy connectors.
I made it a policy to always call the customer to come down and see the situation for themselves when I ran into complications. After seeing it for themselves, I would let them make the call.
... seems like the folks who didn't want to address the issues while we were in there were the ones that bitched the loudest when their bucket had electrical problems and/or oil leaks.
Takes all the fun out of going to work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
In fact, situations like that are the reason I left the business!
I also makes bullshite you have written particularly irritating.
You make a post full of slander and damn strong (if not outright libelous) insinuation, give no specifics, and then shrug it off like it's no big deal.
... and you've done it before
Quoting moneypit:
I will never go to Pina, again. Horrible experience, multiple excuses, straight out lies, long turn around time, got the run around, I personally had to correct the shoddy work I originally paid them to do. I'd rather take the bus before they touch my car again. Don't know much about Boss.
(from this thread
Blunt like Mr Moneypit;
Man up and make a bad guy thread for Pina, and post up some facts.
Specifics of what he did, what you did, and the final outcome, and give the man a chance to respond
or
(and I mean this is the nicest way possible)
... STFU, junior.
Quoting moneypit:
I didn't disappear off the face of the earth. A successful and honest business person doesn't just shutter the doors w/o announcement for no reason. Besides, it's all a mute point. Draw ur own conclusions.
I've been able to get ahold of them man every time I called. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
... often from unfamiliar numbers as I was calling from a shop with a technical question.
As I said, I consider Andre a good friend, and a valuable resource on all things technical.
We've helped each other troubleshoot some "nemesis" cars.
He got his ass kicked by a 3000gtvr4, I got mine kicked by a twinturbo viper.
... it happens, (and anybody who says it doesn't hasn't been in the business long)
You learn a lot about a man when he's getting his ass kicked by a car.
good ones don't give up, ever
They see it to the end, and they're not happy untill the customer is happy.
I watched this man eat a substantial loss on that job because he wasn't happy with how it turned out and did what it took (out of his own pocket) to make it right.
... not to mention a lotta late nights / cold dinners, and a pissed off spouse
That showed me the character of the man better than any story I may read on the interweb.
As to why he got out of the business / closed up shop, that's nobodies business but his own.
He didn't (to the best of my knowledge) leave anybody hanging or any unfinished cars.
"shop drama" will always have asshats running their mouths trying to get in the good graces of the cool guys by bad mouthing the competition.
stories get told / rumours started, and sh*t just snowballs from there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
... the irony is that (in my personal experience) most of the cool guys will want nothing to do with anybody who says a bad word about anybody without a solid context.
... because they know as soon as they leave, they're gonna talk sh*t about you ...
fwiw, I learned this one the hard way
I'm no angel when it comes to sh*t talking.
... we had some "shop drama" out here a few years back
I stepped over the line a few times.
Had to take my lumps over it, and I learned a lot from the situation.
It was tough to step up and take responsibility for my actions, but I did what I had to do and moved on.
For me, it's just one of many mistakes I've made.
nobodies perfect, we all have room to grow.
Think about that the next time before you open your mouth and this whole excersise will be worth it.
I also feel like I need to address your slanderous comment about Andre committing "insurance fraud".
Your statement just shows your lack of understanding of how things work in the real world.
I remember talking to him about that incident at great length, because a very similiar thing happened to us as well.
Somebody close to him did that, a customer, employee, or a "friend" sure as sh*t.
... probably stood there, drinking his beer shooting the sh*t all the while they cased the joint for product placement / inventory.
You think he made a single dollar on that situation?
... for fucks sake, junior, open your eyes!
I've never had much luck with insurance companies in cases like this
Over the loss of ~20k, he got probably got paid half that, and they jacked his premiums for years.
In addition, when you know it was someone who's been in your shop long enough to case things out as well as they did, well that will stick in your craw
...and it make it hard to trust anyone.
And you wonder why he got out of the business ...
Quoting moneypit:
Ban me if u must.
Why would we ban you?
The best boards moderate themselves, and we *generally* don't ban folks from the .org unless they get waay out of hand.
It's not a thing we do here very often, and it's one of the reasons I love this board.
I'd rather have you stick around and learn from this experience.
[edit]
Quoting turbowop:
Andre has had his share of customer issues from what I've heard. I think he mostly got sick of poor DSM guys wanting sh*t for free and started working on other platforms. The only experience I have with him is the intercooler setup he fabbed for me in '03 and some exhaust work. I also knew him as a friend from the NWDSM group for years, not just as a paying customer that met him for the first time when I walked through the doors of his shop. I knew the guy when he worked out of his garage. He does great fab work and I wouldn't hesitate to trust him with my car. And I dont say that about many people.
If you had a bad experience with him, that sucks. I haven't talked to Andre in a year or so. I hope he's doing okay, but I'm sorry you had issues. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
The part in bold says it all /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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moneypit
Well-known member
...i'd also like an order of fries. Be sure to cook the patty evenly on both sides. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif
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pot
Staff member
Monkey pit I encourage you to exhibit a bit of caution and respect on this forum. Particularly w/ distinguished, wise, and senior members -this is not tuners forum.
^^ Not likely, moneypit is now just trolling for responses. Yet another punk-azz-biotch that makes my decision to leave the DSM/GVR4 world so easy...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
raptorWagon
Well-known member
Most of the newer dsm crowd these days are like that unfortunately. GVR4 crowd generally weeds out the douchewaffles though pretty quickly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hsugh.gif
toybreaker
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Moneypit;
You have started someting you had better see to the end.
Man up or go away
Let your conscience be your guide /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
One thing is for sure at this point.
The PNW guys are a close knit group,and untill you finish what you started you will NOT find many friends that will want anything to do with you.
... nobody likes cry babie bitches that fold when asked for specifics on their "grievances"
I've said all I'm going to say.
I'll be off the board for a few days, so it'll be up to the board and other staff members to decide what to do with you.
You have started someting you had better see to the end.
Man up or go away
Let your conscience be your guide /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
One thing is for sure at this point.
The PNW guys are a close knit group,and untill you finish what you started you will NOT find many friends that will want anything to do with you.
... nobody likes cry babie bitches that fold when asked for specifics on their "grievances"
I've said all I'm going to say.
I'll be off the board for a few days, so it'll be up to the board and other staff members to decide what to do with you.
EHmotorsports
Well-known member
Quoting 4thStroke:
English just made a drive up to Seattle to pick up some cars. They do so from time to time, so keep tabs on them on Facebook in case they post in the near future and you want your car looked at.
I'll give a +1 to English Racing. They have an immaculate reputation (nationwide) in the 4G63 game, as well as others.
English just made a drive up to Seattle to pick up some cars. They do so from time to time, so keep tabs on them on Facebook in case they post in the near future and you want your car looked at.
I'll give a +1 to English Racing. They have an immaculate reputation (nationwide) in the 4G63 game, as well as others.
coyotes
Well-known member
Yup but if I'm taking my car to Oregon it's going to EHMotorsports. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
