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TakumiJr
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764330 posted 02/27/09 11:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did all pre-facelift come with projectors fogs or not? Looks like my bumper is a jdm pre-facelift with projector fogs, maybe someone replace it with projector fogs?




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Edited by TakumiJr (02/27/09 11:45 PM)

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misterfixit
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764358 posted 02/28/09 02:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
87.10-89.9 dual board ecu-205ps
89.10-90.9 single board non eeprom ecu, 220ps. modular (faster reponse idle valve and control system)
90.10-> single board eeprom ecu 240ps for ALL manual versions. autos are different spec.

To address red two "The E38A Got a new ECU each time the power went up 8802.1, 8910.1 and 9008.1, so new fuel/timing maps is a probability " the rs was introduced in 88.2 before there was none. and the rs was ONLY a stripped out vr-4 (so base model galant of the time with vr-4 driveline.) 4 bolt driveline was introduced in 90.10 not 89.10. The manual cars only had three ecu options from the factory.

Rich

Quoting H05TYL:

[quote="misterfixit"]If it was built after 89.10 its a facelift (projector fogs model) 220ps
if it was built after 90.10 ans its manual its a "evo zero." with 240ps and the "rs" kit.

HO5tyl is correct, but in addition there are three specs of RS. 88.2 (205ps) pre facelift. 89.10 (220ps) first facelift, then 90.10 (240ps) with vents and all that jazz.

The automatics were introduced much later, i'll have trawl the manuals and find out when.

Rich





This is correct. I've lost track of the number of times I've tried to clear this up and no-one listens

One more time:
88.2 205ps RS, 14b, 450's, 3 bolt mech lsd, no vents, spotlights with turn signals in.
89.10 220ps RS, 14b, 450's, 3 bolt mech lsd, no vents, projector spotlights.
90.10 240ps RS, 16G, 510's, 4 bolt mech lsd, vents, projector spotlights.

There are non-RS versions of each of the above, which have climate a/c (though some very early vr4's only had on/off a/c), electric windows, etc, and viscous lsd's with 4ws.


Any idea where the extra 15ps come from for the facelift vr4's? Is it just different ecu mapping?





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Edited by misterfixit (02/28/09 02:13 AM)

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fuel
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764365 posted 02/28/09 03:10 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting TakumiJr:

Did all pre-facelift come with projectors fogs or not? Looks like my bumper is a jdm pre-facelift with projector fogs, maybe someone replace it with projector fogs?






For the jap spec bumpers, there is no difference between pre-facelift or facelift bumpers.. yours is simply a jap spec bumper with facelift projector spotlamps, suggesting it's come from a facelifted model (october '89 onwards) VR-4, VZ-S, VX-S or 91 onwards E35A Vientos. VR-4s weren't the only one to get that bumper.

As mentioned above, the extra vents are only on the Evolution, Monte Carlo and some RS models. Same goes with the bonnet (hood) vents. There is no pre-facelift/facelift bonnet (hood) also, they're all the same.

There were only two cosmetic facelifts (ie pre-facelift/facelift which took place in October '89), but there seems to be three mechanical facelifts.

Nikk, I would say that extra 15hp comes from the 16g as opposed to the 14b.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764366 posted 02/28/09 03:15 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting misterfixit:

87.10-89.9 dual board ecu-205ps
89.10-90.9 single board non eeprom ecu, 220ps. modular (faster reponse idle valve and control system)
90.10-> single board eeprom ecu 240ps for ALL manual versions. autos are different spec.

To address red two "The E38A Got a new ECU each time the power went up 8802.1, 8910.1 and 9008.1, so new fuel/timing maps is a probability " the rs was introduced in 88.2 before there was none. and the rs was ONLY a stripped out vr-4 (so base model galant of the time with vr-4 driveline.) 4 bolt driveline was introduced in 90.10 not 89.10. The manual cars only had three ecu options from the factory.

Rich






RS was available in both E38A and E39A, as well as options for air conditioning, power windows etc.. so in theory you could have an E39A RS with 4WD, air conditioning, power windows etc like the normal VR-4.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764500 posted 02/28/09 04:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting fuel:


Nikk, I would say that extra 15hp comes from the 16g as opposed to the 14b.




I was talking about the 15ps difference between pre and post facelift vr4's, both of which have 14b's, 450's, etc.

There's a 35ps difference between pre-facelift vr4's and "Evo0" vr4's with the 16G.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764503 posted 02/28/09 04:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting misterfixit:

87.10-89.9 dual board ecu-205ps
89.10-90.9 single board non eeprom ecu, 220ps. modular (faster reponse idle valve and control system)
90.10-> single board eeprom ecu 240ps for ALL manual versions. autos are different spec.

To address red two "The E38A Got a new ECU each time the power went up 8802.1, 8910.1 and 9008.1, so new fuel/timing maps is a probability " the rs was introduced in 88.2 before there was none. and the rs was ONLY a stripped out vr-4 (so base model galant of the time with vr-4 driveline.) 4 bolt driveline was introduced in 90.10 not 89.10. The manual cars only had three ecu options from the factory.

Rich





Another word or two between 'went up' and '8802.1, 8910.1 and 9008.1' would have made it clearer. I guess that's one more for proof reading!

Yes, you would expect the RS to have the same driveline as the ones they put on street cars, but then again it's at the forefront of their motor sports program and CAPS tells a different story:

Sorry for those that can't read Japanese, but you can match the PNC numbers to CAPS USA

1: E38A SNPF4 Rear axle options;
8802.1-8909.3 BJ (equal length)
8910.1-9203.3 TJ (equal length)


2. E39A SNPF Rear axle options;
8809.1-9007.3 BJ (Viscous LSD)
8910.1-9007.3 BJ (equal length)
8910.1-9007.3 BJ (Viscous LSD)
9008.1-9203.3 TJ (Equal length)
9008.1-9203.3 TJ (Viscous LSD)


3. E38A SNPF4 Rear diff options (for shits and giggles check out #3 - a 3 bolt 3.909 ratio rear diff assembly as factory option)


The way I read that is the E38A switched to 4 bolt axles and 3.909 ratio in 8910.1 - a full 10 months before the E39A received them.


The E39A SNPF4 is a strange one. A brief check comes up with saying it came with an open rear diff and the standard gearbox but had no ABS and has manual windows.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764587 posted 02/28/09 09:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting fuel:

Quoting TakumiJr:

Did all pre-facelift come with projectors fogs or not? Looks like my bumper is a jdm pre-facelift with projector fogs, maybe someone replace it with projector fogs?






For the jap spec bumpers, there is no difference between pre-facelift or facelift bumpers.. yours is simply a jap spec bumper with facelift projector spotlamps, suggesting it's come from a facelifted model (october '89 onwards) VR-4, VZ-S, VX-S or 91 onwards E35A Vientos. VR-4s weren't the only one to get that bumper.






Actually Pre-facelift bars do differ slightly from facelift. The Pre-facelift has a vertical piece of reo behind the spotlights which needs to be cut out if you want to fit facelift projectors.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764673 posted 03/01/09 03:13 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I was just about to add that comment also!

I've had some spotlight (facelift) foggies installed on a prefacelift indicator type bumper which didn't fit and required modification. Apart from that everything is the same.

Did RS models come in e39a?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764773 posted 03/01/09 03:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
they sure did..

(sorry for large image.. linked off another site)




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Thats sweet.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765317 posted 03/03/09 01:01 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
E39A-0029225 is an E39A SNPF4, aka RS. In fact it's the last one built. 9203.3.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765328 posted 03/03/09 01:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
im going to throw in my 2 cents on this one, the above pic is off my site and i have had it on there for about 7 years.

over the years i have had and been in hundreds of discussions about what is an rs and for me it comes back to its got to be an E38A.

E38a was a model number created for the rs version of the E39a Galant.

i know what the brochure says but rs dont have 4ws,power windows etc that the e39 do.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765341 posted 03/03/09 03:59 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Not to further complicate things, but the Galant GSX (non-turbo) in the US is also designated as an E38A. While it does share some things with the JDM RS models, it also has parts stolen from other USDM galants. It really seems to boil down to the fact that there are two chassis codes that have nothing to do with the engine placed in them.

The chassis code is really just that - the unibody chassis and suspension arrangement, regardless of the cosmetic and convenience features or powerplant. Any "RS" model that included 4WS would be by definition, an E39A.

E38A - Galant, AWD, no 4WS
E39A - Galant, AWD, 4WS

I believe if you look around in some other countries where VR-4's were sold and badged as other brands, you'll find some other variations of the E38A.

"Rallye Sport" (RS) just means what it always has - a stripped down model sometimes with some racing features, and cheap crap substituted in for everything that will be tossed in the trash anyway (cloth seats, manual windows, steel wheels, etc)



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765508 posted 03/03/09 04:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Qoutong red two
"The way I read that is the E38A switched to 4 bolt axles and 3.909 ratio in 8910.1 - a full 10 months before the E39A received them."

not true.

90.03 was the changeover for the vr4 rs.





Thats from the tech information manual.

Richard



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765520 posted 03/03/09 04:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Nzvr4rs
"im going to throw in my 2 cents on this one, the above pic is off my site and i have had it on there for about 7 years.

over the years i have had and been in hundreds of discussions about what is an rs and for me it comes back to its got to be an E38A.

E38a was a model number created for the rs version of the E39a Galant.

i know what the brochure says but rs dont have 4ws,power windows etc that the e39 do."

Well i think we need to clear up some stuff.
You may have had the brochure for 7 years, but it came off the archive at g force hokkaido. the brochure you have is a 1989.10 car.
here's the g-force archive page.






so credit to G-force hokkaido.

Now number 2. vr4rs = e38a?
No here's why.




Look at the names and chassis codes! vr4 rs is e38a and e39a. but you will also see that e37a is 4wd also!

Now else where in the world there were many instances of different drivtrains mated with different bodies. As the next post said E38A refers to CHASSIS, but also to engine SIZE only. Ie e38a =2000cc 4wd, e39a = 2000cc 4wd 4ws, e37a = 1755cc 4wd e35a = 1836cc 2wd.

Here to illustrate from the shop manual (not the us one, but the one that covers everywhere except jdm land)

and to help decode the model code (this really tells what a car IS)


So after all the miss information. Please only post with evidence. this discuission hurts my head it happens so many times.

Rich



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93 CB4A --- rewound
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Edited by misterfixit (03/04/09 02:37 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765554 posted 03/03/09 05:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting misterfixit:

Qoutong red two
"The way I read that is the E38A switched to 4 bolt axles and 3.909 ratio in 8910.1 - a full 10 months before the E39A received them."

not true.

90.03 was the changeover for the vr4 rs.
Thats from the tech information manual.

Richard




Looking at pages 2-3 & 2-4, It has a date that seems to say '89.10 for E38A SNPF4/RS in the tech manual too
I could probably get someone to translate this if you're keen.


Edited by RedTwo (03/03/09 05:32 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765566 posted 03/03/09 06:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting red two
"Looking at pages 2-3 & 2-4, It has a date that seems to say '89.10 for E38A SNPF4/RS in the tech manual too
I could probably get someone to translate this if you're keen."

Maybe my bad... caps shows the companionflange change as follows.
e38a snpf4

e39a snpf4

e39a snpf


would be great to translate the passages that refer to 89.10 as the e38a is not referred to in the model table at thre front of the manual.

cheers

rich



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765611 posted 03/03/09 07:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting misterfixit:



Look at the names and chassis codes! vr4 rs is e38a and e39a. but you will also see that e32ar e34ar e37a are 4wd also!

Now else where in the world there were many instances of different drivtrains mated with different bodies. As the next post said E38A refers to CHASSIS, but also to engine SIZE only. Ie e38a =2000cc 4wd, e39a = 2000cc 4wd 4ws, e37a = 1836cc 4wd e35a = 1836cc 2wd.






Am just being real picky here, but E34A is 4D65 1800cc Diesel Turbo and not AWD, and E32AR is a FWD driver training vehicle in Japan with dual pedals etc, same goes with E34AR.

E37A (MS-4) is a AWD version of the E32A, which has the 1755cc 4G37 (not 1836cc which is the 4G67) engine.

E39A was the chassis designation given to non turbo AWD 4G63 DOHC models (ie MX-4/VX-4) in Japan also, as they had 4WS.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765733 posted 03/04/09 02:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i should of been clearer, i didnt think any one would think that a fwd or non turbo car was an rs vr4.

i didnt think i was taking credit for the brochure but stating i have had it on my site for about 7 years and yes i did get it from g force.

a factory 4wd turbo galant with an E38a chassis code is an rs galant not a e39a chassis code.

here is my chassis code
E38A-0002192

when was that made, it has the 4 bolt rear end with a plate lsd.



i happen to have a e39a sitting in my back yard that we just stripped for bits, its got the 4 bolt and all the stuff you think "rs" e39a have.

it aint a rs they are all white for a start this one is black.

i fact i have another late model rs in my garage right now , funny its white as well and has a e38a chassis code.

must be a fluke from the factory.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765735 posted 03/04/09 02:51 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
here is the chassis plate from the other one.

what the different numbers on bottom right mean i dont know plus being a higher number was it produced after mine.

then why does it not have the vent in the bottom of spoiler.




and the two togther, the other on doesnt have the extra vent on the bumper and the stickers on the front guards are not orignal.

it does have the same rims my car had on it when it came over from japan that i regret selling and i think were an option for the cars from new.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765736 posted 03/04/09 03:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
could it be possible that the front bumper has been swapped before it came into the country, due to previous accident damage? given that it has the vented bonnet (unless that's been put on at a later date??) shouldn't it have the extra vents on the bumper? I always thought they went as a set, like peas in a pod ya know.

also, I think what the Mitsubishi brochure is saying, is that the RS *can* be available in 4WS (which makes it an E39A, even though it would have wind up windows, air con, vinyl seats, steel wheels usually). I guess no one has seen an E39A RS yet.. perhaps none were ordered at all so none were made? I gather E38As were ordered by the first time buyers rather than have one sitting in the dealership waiting for someone to come along.

there's gotta be a reason Mitsubishi printed all those manuals which state there are RS E39A's.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765888 posted 03/04/09 02:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok, you got me! Have edited my earlier post to read correctly. spent an hour this lunch time with kodansha and yup i was wrong on the drivers ed cars!

E37a was also sold a freindee!
but that a whole othere conversation.

Rich

Quoting fuel:

Quoting misterfixit:



Look at the names and chassis codes! vr4 rs is e38a and e39a. but you will also see that e32ar e34ar e37a are 4wd also!

Now else where in the world there were many instances of different drivtrains mated with different bodies. As the next post said E38A refers to CHASSIS, but also to engine SIZE only. Ie e38a =2000cc 4wd, e39a = 2000cc 4wd 4ws, e37a = 1836cc 4wd e35a = 1836cc 2wd.






Am just being real picky here, but E34A is 4D65 1800cc Diesel Turbo and not AWD, and E32AR is a FWD driver training vehicle in Japan with dual pedals etc, same goes with E34AR.

E37A (MS-4) is a AWD version of the E32A, which has the 1755cc 4G37 (not 1836cc which is the 4G67) engine.

E39A was the chassis designation given to non turbo AWD 4G63 DOHC models (ie MX-4/VX-4) in Japan also, as they had 4WS.





92 UK 1800 GALANT DD
88 JDM E39A GALANT VR-4, running. But only just.
93 CB4A --- rewound
91 PDM GTI Resurection project. Aborted
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765889 posted 03/04/09 02:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok, you got me! Have edited my earlier post to read correctly. spent an hour this lunch time with kodansha and yup i was wrong on the drivers ed cars!

E37a was also sold a freindee!
but that a whole other conversation.

Rich

Quoting fuel:

Quoting misterfixit:



Look at the names and chassis codes! vr4 rs is e38a and e39a. but you will also see that e32ar e34ar e37a are 4wd also!

Now else where in the world there were many instances of different drivtrains mated with different bodies. As the next post said E38A refers to CHASSIS, but also to engine SIZE only. Ie e38a =2000cc 4wd, e39a = 2000cc 4wd 4ws, e37a = 1836cc 4wd e35a = 1836cc 2wd.






Am just being real picky here, but E34A is 4D65 1800cc Diesel Turbo and not AWD, and E32AR is a FWD driver training vehicle in Japan with dual pedals etc, same goes with E34AR.

E37A (MS-4) is a AWD version of the E32A, which has the 1755cc 4G37 (not 1836cc which is the 4G67) engine.

E39A was the chassis designation given to non turbo AWD 4G63 DOHC models (ie MX-4/VX-4) in Japan also, as they had 4WS.





92 UK 1800 GALANT DD
88 JDM E39A GALANT VR-4, running. But only just.
93 CB4A --- rewound
91 PDM GTI Resurection project. Aborted
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765891 posted 03/04/09 03:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Here are your cars in caps:



And the 92. snpf4 that was mentioned earlier.

And just to reinforce the point of the e39as being the poor relation heres the first page of the homologation papers. All the homologation papers refer to is e39a all the way through, group a and group n.

It would be good for mrgravel to chime in here as he has a works rally car, and up to two weeks ago had two. They I believe are e39a.

As for fluke from the factory, both your cars are listed in the production records as having hood vents and the extra vent in the bumper.

The wheels on the car are Yokohama Advan, "rally" i believe is the name, but probably wrong on that one. don't believe they were a factory option

Rich

Quoting NZ VR4 RS:

i should of been clearer, i didnt think any one would think that a fwd or non turbo car was an rs vr4.

i didnt think i was taking credit for the brochure but stating i have had it on my site for about 7 years and yes i did get it from g force.

a factory 4wd turbo galant with an E38a chassis code is an rs galant not a e39a chassis code.

here is my chassis code
E38A-0002192

when was that made, it has the 4 bolt rear end with a plate lsd.



i happen to have a e39a sitting in my back yard that we just stripped for bits, its got the 4 bolt and all the stuff you think "rs" e39a have.

it aint a rs they are all white for a start this one is black.

i fact i have another late model rs in my garage right now , funny its white as well and has a e38a chassis code.

must be a fluke from the factory.






92 UK 1800 GALANT DD
88 JDM E39A GALANT VR-4, running. But only just.
93 CB4A --- rewound
91 PDM GTI Resurection project. Aborted
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Edited by misterfixit (03/04/09 03:17 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 765894 posted 03/04/09 03:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I found this supposed 'RS' on Trademe - click

Looked up the plate on Carjam and it came back with the chassis number of E39A-0015997

So this guy is claiming he has an '89 RS E39A effectively - I'm at work currently and don't have access to CAPS until I get home, anyone able to confirm whether it is a genuine RS?



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