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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 762966 posted 02/25/09 01:22 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have the chance to buy an RS front bumper for $350 shipped. Its being included on a pallet full of Mirage cyborg parts that is being parted out from Australia.

The only problem is that it doesn't have the metal support or fog lights. Would I be better off waiting for a bumper with fogs and the support to come along or is this a good enough price to get it shipped over and get metal support fabricated for it?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 762976 posted 02/25/09 02:29 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Are we talking the whole metal support structure for the bumper cover here, or just the frame mounts?

There's a non-RS on ebay right now for $199 "buy-it-now" and $199 for shipping. It has both the support and blinker fogs. I would just pay the extra $50 shipped for it over one that doesn't include fogs or the support.

Unless you're holding out for an RS version, which isn't worth the premium they seem to get, IMO.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 762980 posted 02/25/09 03:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Oh Ok, I see that one on ebay. The bumper I was looking at is missing the whole metal support.

I'm looking at these bumpers and, whats the difference between the rs and non-rs bumper? Is there a subtle lip at the bottom of an RS bumper?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 762982 posted 02/25/09 03:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The RS bumper has extra vents in it. That's pretty much the only difference.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763019 posted 02/25/09 08:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have a JDM bumper with no supports and it sucks cuz its hard to fab the support ofr it... its just sitting in my garage....



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763020 posted 02/25/09 08:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
is there a thread somewhere with liek pics and descriptions of all the bumpers? i would like to know if mine is the stock one or not. did all vr4's come with foglights? mine has them but everyone seems to always be looking for them so i didnt know...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763068 posted 02/25/09 10:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks, you guys saved me alot of BS, and money . I'll probably just stick with my factory bumper but if I get anything, It'll be the one turbowop mentioned.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763072 posted 02/25/09 10:59 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'd wait for one that comes with foglights and try to get all new brackets. Mine sticks out because the brackets were messed up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763195 posted 02/25/09 04:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 91GSR:

is there a thread somewhere with liek pics and descriptions of all the bumpers? i would like to know if mine is the stock one or not. did all vr4's come with foglights? mine has them but everyone seems to always be looking for them so i didnt know...




You probably have the usdm stock bumper. All vr4s came with fogs, but for example mine are missing as well because of the intercooler piping...also a lot of ppl are looking for jdm fogs that only fit in the jdm bumper..



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763309 posted 02/25/09 08:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There is also a non-turbo JDM bumper that has different size/style foglights than the turbo RS/non RS bumpers (I think the AMG bumper has the same size as the later two as well).

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763642 posted 02/26/09 03:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The AMG foggies share the same units as the VR4 JSPEC FACELIFT ones.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763650 posted 02/26/09 04:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

Are we talking the whole metal support structure for the bumper cover here, or just the frame mounts?

There's a non-RS on ebay right now for $199 "buy-it-now" and $199 for shipping. It has both the support and blinker fogs. I would just pay the extra $50 shipped for it over one that doesn't include fogs or the support.

Unless you're holding out for an RS version, which isn't worth the premium they seem to get, IMO.




Who is the seller, Mark? I got one through everspring sports, I think. It is a non-RS, with blinker/fogs and I think it's just missing the frame mounts, but I'm not sure since I've never seen pics of them on the car frame. Super fast shipping too from malaysia; about a week.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763662 posted 02/26/09 04:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^Its everspring_sports, here is the link.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763670 posted 02/26/09 04:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, that's him. Here's a hint, use the best offer option :-)



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763692 posted 02/26/09 05:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 91GSR:

is there a thread somewhere with liek pics and descriptions of all the bumpers? i would like to know if mine is the stock one or not. did all vr4's come with foglights? mine has them but everyone seems to always be looking for them so i didnt know...





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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763774 posted 02/26/09 09:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That's all well and good except it's wrong.

Well some of it...

The extra vent on the bumper, and bonnet vents are only found on Evo0 (510's, 16G, 4 bolt, etc) spec models, there are facelift vr4's, and even facelift RS's that do not have them.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763821 posted 02/27/09 12:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Don't forget monte carlo's

If anybody wants one, I have a monte carlo bumper with foggies available.

The only issue is shipping!!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763831 posted 02/27/09 01:42 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Isn't the monte carlo bumper like an rs bumper? Pics of the bumper?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763841 posted 02/27/09 03:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

If anybody wants one, I have a monte carlo bumper with foggies available.




You sir may become very popular after that statement

Might try DHL for shipping,or just jump on the internet google world wide shipping and start getting quotes....heck I might just look into that myself.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763842 posted 02/27/09 03:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting RedTwo:

Quoting 91GSR:

is there a thread somewhere with liek pics and descriptions of all the bumpers? i would like to know if mine is the stock one or not. did all vr4's come with foglights? mine has them but everyone seems to always be looking for them so i didnt know...









Is the extra vent an added piece of plastic? or is it molded fro mthe bumper and than painted a different color?
If its a separete piece, it might be cool if somebody could take it off and make fiberglass/CF duplicates.... then ppl with regular jdm bumpers could hack it in somehow...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763843 posted 02/27/09 04:31 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The extra vent is a seperate bit of plastic with a rear metal bracket supporting it.

As for that graphic file, its nice but its not accurate. Facelifts do not have the bonnet vents nor the extra vent. They have the Jspec bumper with facelift foggies. The bonnet is the same. Only the RS's and Monte's have the extra vent on the bumper and the bonnet vents, and only the late model RS's came with those, the early (89) rs came with no vents and no strip on the bumper, I dont even think they had the facelift foggies either.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 763997 posted 02/27/09 01:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i love my Kouki front bumper, the extra vents in the RS bumper are not really my style or worth the extra money that the rs bumpers go for.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764000 posted 02/27/09 01:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If it was built after 89.10 its a facelift (projector fogs model) 220ps
if it was built after 90.10 ans its manual its a "evo zero." with 240ps and the "rs" kit.

HO5tyl is correct, but in addition there are three specs of RS. 88.2 (205ps) pre facelift. 89.10 (220ps) first facelift, then 90.10 (240ps) with vents and all that jazz.

The automatics were introduced much later, i'll have trawl the manuals and find out when.

Rich

Quoting H05TYL:

That's all well and good except it's wrong.

Well some of it...

The extra vent on the bumper, and bonnet vents are only found on Evo0 (510's, 16G, 4 bolt, etc) spec models, there are facelift vr4's, and even facelift RS's that do not have them.





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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764061 posted 02/27/09 03:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
[quote="misterfixit"]If it was built after 89.10 its a facelift (projector fogs model) 220ps
if it was built after 90.10 ans its manual its a "evo zero." with 240ps and the "rs" kit.

HO5tyl is correct, but in addition there are three specs of RS. 88.2 (205ps) pre facelift. 89.10 (220ps) first facelift, then 90.10 (240ps) with vents and all that jazz.

The automatics were introduced much later, i'll have trawl the manuals and find out when.

Rich





This is correct. I've lost track of the number of times I've tried to clear this up and no-one listens

One more time:
88.2 205ps RS, 14b, 450's, 3 bolt mech lsd, no vents, spotlights with turn signals in.
89.10 220ps RS, 14b, 450's, 3 bolt mech lsd, no vents, projector spotlights.
90.10 240ps RS, 16G, 510's, 4 bolt mech lsd, vents, projector spotlights.

There are non-RS versions of each of the above, which have climate a/c (though some very early vr4's only had on/off a/c), electric windows, etc, and viscous lsd's with 4ws.


Any idea where the extra 15ps come from for the facelift vr4's? Is it just different ecu mapping?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 764099 posted 02/27/09 04:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I think you've all misread the text up there. It says facelift bonnet, as in the facelift version of the bonnet (ie: there are two types of bonnet). Not bonnet you will find on all vehicles made after the facelift, as there's at least 2 facelifts for the VR4, which doesn't take into account the US VR4 changes/facelifts.

I was trying to simplify this whole 'exlusive RS only' body/drivetrain part shenanigans that's going on. I can sell people a RS bumper but it's not going to have any extra vents in it, doesn't mean it's not off an RS though

For example not all AMG galants come with AMG Galant body parts. Apart from a one or two bits, the Type 2 (SNGS and SRGS made from '91 on) AMG Galant looks as restrained as any other E33A.

My bad for using facelift, as it is vague but I refuse to say any body parts are 'RS' like they are exlusive RS parts (unless it's the 3 bolt 3.909 rear diff I've just found in CAPS ) and I'm not so keen on the 'Evo 0' nickname either.

The bumpers, bonnets, turbos, injectors, drive ratios, etc all changed in 9008.1 for the E39A SNPF/LNPF and the E38A SNPF4, but the SNPF4 had changed to 4 bolt 3.909 in 8910.1. Autos were released in 8910.1 as well as the E39A SNPF4, which is almost a contradiction in terms, like the RS-2 from late CP9A Evos.

The E38A Got a new ECU each time the power went up 8802.1, 8910.1 and 9008.1, so new fuel/timing maps is a probability

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