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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 673701 posted 07/26/08 08:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok this story might be a long read and i hope you can be patient with me.

set up:

2g 7bolt engie
garrett t3 turbo
stock exhaust manifold
510cc injectors
stock internals
DSMlink
Meth kit
Ugraded fuel lines
Bosch adjustable fuel pressure regulator
adjustable cam gears
HKS mushroom filter
609 MAF
stock head
FWD LSD
walbro 255hp
NGK BPR7ES


a year ago, because of mistune and faulty wiring on the box, my engine got into trouble. I broke one connecting rod, and my stock crankshaft had to be regrinded (im not confident with regrinding especially with the machine shops here in the philippines), and my valves got broken in half!

so what i did ia replaced my cylinder head, replaced the connecting rod that was broken, and as mentioned above, regrinded my stock crankshaft.

i also had my wiring fixed and purchased DSMLink for better tuning, plus installed meth kit to help knock suppression.

my pistons seem to be fine as of the moment but im also not sure if they're going to last that long, now can it handle my HP goals. there were abrasions on top of the pistons due to the incident last year.

what i plan to do now is to aim for 400-450whp with room to increase more when the "itch arises"

so my plan is:

purchase FP Green turbo (internally gated)
FP race manifold
Ross race pistons
Eagle H-Beam Rods
ACL trimetal main and rod bearings
ARP head bolts
cometic head gasket
Greddy Type RS recirculating BOV
Fidanza lightened flywheel
new clutch kit from fidanza (not sure which model to get any suggestions?)

im not going to race on the track but i sure want to give the new evos and the subarus a run for their money with my sleeper set up on the street.

Logically it would be better for me to purchase an eagle crankshaft but they really cost a fortune! so im thinking of buying an OEM crankshaft instead. Will this be a wise idea?

Does anyone know if the H-Beam rods come with rod bolts? if so, do i have to upgrade them with ARP rod bolts?

Will i have to upgrade my valve springs and retainers?

i really dont want to install cams on my set up coz i dont want to have a hard time tuning my iding. this car is intended to be used as a daily driver.

Am i heading to the right direction? or am i missing something?

if i can save on cost by not buying something listed above without sacrificing reliability of the engine, please let me know.

TIA.

chris b



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Edited by chrisb33 (11/16/08 03:13 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 673702 posted 07/26/08 08:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Stock crank

eagle rods already come with arp rod bolts standard

Use clevite bearings instead of ACL

OEM mitsu 4layer metal headgasket over cometic

PTE SCM50(mitsu bolt on 50trim internal gated) save yourself half the cost over a Green

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chrisb33
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 673705 posted 07/26/08 09:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
any reason why clevite instead of ACL? just price difference? or are the clevite's better?



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Edited by chrisb33 (07/26/08 09:08 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 683751 posted 08/19/08 02:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok bringing up this old thread back.

due to unforeseen budget constraints, looks like i have to revise my parts wish list on my engine rebuilt.

i wont have the money to do the forged internals route anymore and as i have been doing my research, the stock bottom end with a good tune can do decent hp numbers. so i decided to buy a brand new oem (nippon) pistons from myles (a member of this forum) and use my stock connecting rods and change my regrinded crankshaft to a new OEM 7 bolt.

hopefully with the meth kit that i have and the dsm link i can tune the engine to make 400ish whp without sacrificing the integrity of the stock 7 bolt bottom end.

I plan to however change the conrod and main bearings to either ACL race or Clevite. Still debating on which ones to use.

As for the turbo, my budget has decreased to less than $900 so i was thinking of getting either FP 18g with the new TDO6SL turbine wheel (internally gated) or the big EVO III 16G. what do you guys recommend? im so confused as to which one to get

I was supposed to get the FP20g
instead of the FP green, but the 20G is also going to be over $1k with an internal WG.

lastly i have a 1G BOV right now. do i really have to change it? would love to change it to some aftermarket BOV's for the bling. but right now, if i can save cost on an aftermarket BOV id get a Fidanza clutch kit or lightened flywheel.

lastly, with either the FP18G or Big EVO III 16G what FMIC size do you recommend? im sorta confused on choosing FMIC sizes relative to turbo size.

thanks in advance for your inputs!

chris b



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 683787 posted 08/19/08 03:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting chrisb33:

any reason why clevite instead of ACL? just price difference? or are the clevite's better?




Didn't catch this when you posted it. Clevite is just what I have always used and never had any problems. Plus quite a few big dogs and big race shops only use them over ACL bearings so that's what I stick with.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 683960 posted 08/19/08 09:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
digit,

ok noted on the Clevite bearings. will seriously consider it.

guys any comments on the FP18g vs. Big EVO III 16g? and what size of intercooler? thanks.

chris b



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Edited by chrisb33 (08/19/08 09:15 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 683979 posted 08/19/08 09:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
FP18g = higher boost threshold but more lag. E16g should get you going pretty fast on a decent setup and tune. Look at the dyno comparison to a normal 16g and notice the higher RPM boost but later spool.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684069 posted 08/20/08 02:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
this is a comparison between small 16g vs. EVOIII 16g or FP18G vs. small 16g?

chris b



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684076 posted 08/20/08 02:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
another question...is it worth buying ARP head stud bolts? or should i just use my stock OEM?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684087 posted 08/20/08 06:20 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If the head is off you might as well, the factory bolts won't hold over 18-20 psi.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684088 posted 08/20/08 06:23 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ I ran my big 16g at 23psi daily on stock gasket and head bolts for well over a year.

But head studs are the next logical step



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684092 posted 08/20/08 07:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok thanks. my parts list are getting clearer now im still just not sure about what turbo to get! Big EVOIII 16g or FP18G

and will a stock 1G blow off valve cut it? do you guys know of any recirculating aftermarket BOV less than $200?

chris b



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684192 posted 08/20/08 12:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The stock BOV will be fine, but you'll have to modify it. Either crush it or do the Dodge Garage BOV Mod.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684251 posted 08/20/08 02:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting dsmer06:

If the head is off you might as well, the factory bolts won't hold over 18-20 psi.





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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684257 posted 08/20/08 02:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting dsmer06:

If the head is off you might as well, the factory bolts won't hold over 18-20 psi.




You are hilarious.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684301 posted 08/20/08 04:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting dsmer06:

If the head is off you might as well, the factory bolts won't hold over 18-20 psi.




Wow, you must have a HUGE turbo.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684342 posted 08/20/08 05:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

Wow, you must have a HUGE turbo.



That's what she said. ZING!


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684344 posted 08/20/08 05:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
"Big EVOIII 16g or FP18G"
What is your budget? I would stick with the E16g and have fun. ARP FTW also.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684497 posted 08/20/08 11:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Dialcaliper:

The stock BOV will be fine, but you'll have to modify it. Either crush it or do the Dodge Garage BOV Mod.





ey cool! saves me a lot of money for an aftermarket BOV! thanks man!

chris b



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 684519 posted 08/21/08 12:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting cOmpressor:

"Big EVOIII 16g or FP18G"
What is your budget? I would stick with the E16g and have fun. ARP FTW also.




well my budget is around $850 max on a brand new internally gated turbo. im leaning towards the FP18G because of the new TD06SL2 turbine wheel. plus it flows at around 600cfm which is good for around 400whp according to their website.

what is the flow rate of the BIG EVOII 16g?

plus im aiming at around 400ish whp. if the Big EVOIII 16g can give me that power with my mods, then i might as well get it and save $200!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 685857 posted 08/24/08 12:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
does anyone have any experience with ebay turbo's? saw this tdo6 turbo. Supposedly its made by a company called GODSPEED. dont know their rep or the quality of their turbo's but it's damn cheap for a TDO6 20G!

I have read in DSM forum that around 8 of 10 (somewhere close to that) turbo ebay buyers (especially EVO III 16g's) are happy with their purchase. Has its durability and have been running them for thousands of miles with no shaft play at all.

their main concern though were the install kits. they were all wrong.

I on the other hand would not need any install kits, i just need the turbo. so i emailed the vendor asking about warranties and rebuild services options just in case it breaks. still waiting for their replies.

OT, do you guys know where i can have a turbo rebuilt (a shop that doesnt care if it the turbo was bought from them or not?)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 685870 posted 08/24/08 02:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Stay away from ebay.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 685871 posted 08/24/08 02:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Read the DSM forum closer and check the dates Chris, the very first knock off were listed as "GT" models. These had a decent rep and were of better quality.
The latest run of copies are horrendous, I would put the failure rate at 80% or greater. These are sold for as little as $150 bucks including gaskets and bolts.
Just friendly advice, YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! So many folks are posting on these cheap models and hoping someone will say how great they are while 100 others warn against.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 685980 posted 08/24/08 08:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ayt guys will keep that in mind thanks for the friendly warning. Yeah, too good to be true, cheap, powerful, reliable turbo. That rarely exists.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 686200 posted 08/25/08 10:59 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Ahhhh...so tempting. dang it.

super 20g from godspeed (price in ebay and from their website is different fyi)






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Edited by chrisb33 (08/25/08 11:01 AM)

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