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What is the best 272 cam out there?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216622 posted 09/16/15 03:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hey whats going on guys. I have been reading up on building up my motor and going with a built head. But what is the best
Cam 272's out there.
Post links if possible as well.

Thank you once again



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216624 posted 09/16/15 03:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Depends on what your definition of best is. IMHO it's HKS.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216626 posted 09/16/15 03:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
oh ok.

well the one that gives the most power.

And if you don't mind me asking. Why do you think the HKS is the best one?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216628 posted 09/16/15 04:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The gsc, and kelford cams make a lot of power, but aren't comparable to other 272's. Most "real" 272's will have around 212* of duration at .050" of lift. The gsc, and kellford 272's have specs closer to other companies 280 cams, and require better springs than most 272's, which can be run on a stock valve train.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216630 posted 09/16/15 04:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

Depends on what your definition of best is. IMHO it's HKS.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216631 posted 09/16/15 04:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216637 posted 09/16/15 04:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting G:

Depends on what your definition of best is. IMHO it's HKS.




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216668 posted 09/16/15 09:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
"The one that makes the most power"

What are the goals of the engine, turbo and torque curve?

Maybe to sum up a good combination, someone could point you in the direction of a previous build and related dyno sheet to prove that

what is being mentioned here will be what the OP is looking for?

Budget, compression ratio, turbo, boost levels, stock or upgraded hardware, machine work ... what is the process the OP is looking to achieve?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216684 posted 09/17/15 08:24 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Good question. I am trying to achieve the most power, the most torque .



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216687 posted 09/17/15 09:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There are too many other factors to just say X cam is better than X cam.

First and foremost, what turbo you're running and at what sort of boost levels. Then you have to consider intake manifold, displacement, intended rev-limit.

If you're running a small frame (16g sized) turbo on an otherwise stock 2.0L and don't want to go building a whole head, or at the very least, upgrading valve springs, then I'm sure a suggestion of the good ol' HKS 264/272 combo would suffice. If you're looking to go with more of a medium-large frame turbo (gt35r comes to mind), SMIM and a higher rev limit, then you may want to consider GSC S2 or Kelford 272's. If you also want to go with increased displacement and are thinking of making the sort of power where you may want to decide to make it primarily a "race" car, then 280s might be something to look into.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216767 posted 09/18/15 07:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Illinoisinc:

Good question. I am trying to achieve the most power, the most torque .





These don't go hand in hand. What do you mean by "power"? Do you know how horsepower is calculated?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216777 posted 09/18/15 08:42 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thank you Mitsuturbo. That is great information. I do apologize for the idiotic questions also.

Cutlassjim.

My goal is actually about 450-500.

What you would recommend.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216796 posted 09/18/15 01:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You could be a wild man and make that power on stock cams!

An HKS 272 or knockoff would get you there and probably be the most simple to set-up. Just drop them in and go most of the time. I personally went with HKS 264's after I wasn't happy with the fitment of the GSC S1's I ordered for that reason. Even though I still had to degree them a small amount to be dead zero. And you can pick them up at a killer price in great used shape. New and upgraded valve springs are a must for a head rebuild. Kiggly makes a GREAT set.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216803 posted 09/18/15 02:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
click Delta Camshaft

I got 264/264 regrinds that were half as much as new 264/264's and every bit as good. I actually drove up from Portland to pick up the cams and got to walk the shop floor. Great guys and a great product.

Check out the sidebar on the Services tab on their website for an explanation of their process including videos.





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Edited by EfiniX (09/18/15 03:23 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216979 posted 09/21/15 11:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thank you guys for the great info!

I believe I will go with the HKS 272 CAMS. Def the right way to go.

I truly appreciate everyone's input. If any of you are ever in Chicago. I'd take you guys out.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1216992 posted 09/21/15 02:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well great, but if you want to save money, I'm telling you, go to Delta Camshaft.

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Here's a review of the cams from a guy on Tuners. He was, like you, looking into HKS. Went to Delta and got regrind 272/272's for less than $200. Delta uses a cam profile that's the same as HKS.

First start-up (skip to page-2 of the thread for when he gets the car running)

click

There's some other videos as well, along with others singing the praises of Delta. Pics on page-3 of cams after 800 miles.

Just sayin...



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Edited by EfiniX (09/21/15 02:18 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217104 posted 09/22/15 04:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks buddy and I just saw your build thread. Good info.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217164 posted 09/23/15 03:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Don't know if this is gonna contribute much, but you can run HKS 272's on stock valve train. I have ran mine for years. Rev to 8500 max on mine.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217168 posted 09/23/15 05:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You can, but it's not recommended. 20 year old springs tend to have less than half the original closing pressure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217175 posted 09/23/15 06:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah I wouldn't recommending redlining these cams with original springs. I'm sure someone will pipe up and say they do it all the time with no issues in 3..2..1.



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Quoting swe_gvr4_1991:

Don't know if this is gonna contribute much, but you can run HKS 272's on stock valve train. I have ran mine for years. Rev to 8500 max on mine.





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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217218 posted 09/24/15 11:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No I would build the shit out of the head lol.

Also my question. How are you guys tunning your cars? Do you buy a ECU ( haltech, microtech etc) piggy back system , can you chip the ecu's like Hondas.



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There are several options for that. The most common and user friendly is to run ECUlink. It's a chip that allows a semi stand alone function.

There's evo ecu swaps with flashable programming.

There's, the aem, haltech, motec options too.

Lot's of info out there, depends on your budget and goals. Link works awesome up to 600whp no issues. Some guys will push 1k on the system. It lacks the output controls and input of various none oem sensors, but for 600 bucks it's much easier and simpler.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1217293 posted 09/25/15 01:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Marvin,

I am literally reading this stuff. So I would choose the first one? ECMLink V3 Package (DSM) ??

just want to make sure since this is the correct one. this one seems pretty bad ass...



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