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FS: Carbon Fiber Hood Group Buy (Feeler)


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189330 posted 09/19/14 08:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Okay gents here it is:

These Group Buy's have gone incredibly and horribly wrong since as long as I can remember. I'm hoping to change all that and apply a little common sense to this madness. So here's the skinny:

I've been in contact with a company called Extreme Dimensions (Please see below):

Extreme Dimensions (Web Page)

Facebook Page (Facebook Page)

Through the course of a week, myself and a representative from Extreme Dimensions, Michael Koldus (Account Manager) have been exchanging message traffic regarding such topics as:

1.) What is the minimum quantity to produce?
2.) Do you need a donor hood?
3.) Do you require a deposit/what amount?
4.) What would be total cost including shipping CONUS?
5.) How long would it take to produce and ship?

Thus far we have identified the following requisites that will see this project through. Please see criteria identified below:

1.) 15 Orders (minimum)
2.) Yes, a galant member will need to drop off a hood to Extreme Dimension. They are located at:

Extreme Dimensions, Inc.
1920 West Malvern Avenue
Fullerton, CA 92833

3.) 25% Deposit required (Non-Refundable) *Thats where we will be rolling the dice on this group buy in addition to fitment/shipping damage
4.) $500.00 for each hood. Actual shipping cost to be determined *Anyone wanna chime in on shipping cost experience from Hi-Rev
5.) Production will take 5-6 Months

In order to make this project work it will undoubtedly require teamwork and support from across the galant board membership. I firmly believe if we partner up on this and exhibit a little esprit de corps we can see this project through. Thus far I've identified the following tasks that will aid in our accomplishment of the mission:

- A donor hood from a galant member residing close to Fullerton, CA
- An agreement on what hood we want. There is no splitting down the middle, its either JDM or stock.
- A member to check on production weekly *No if and or buts about this badboy. We're not going to be taken for a ride so this has to happen
- A member to check fitment on the very first hood to ensure fitment/function
- Assign TurboNegro roundhouse family members duties if the milk turns out to be sour

I've given Extreme Dimensions a few requirements during the course of our discussion. They are cited below:

- Weekly updates via Email
- 3 Photos a week once the project begins
- Permission for a member to visit their facility once a week to verify status of production

*I'm considering having Extreme Dimensions sign a legal binding contract with our 15 buyers prior to the deposit

*I have left out one concern thus far and thats method of payment. I remember a member being charged twice on either their Debit or Credit Card regarding the Hi-Rev fiasco. I do like the Credit Card option myself personally however I request input from our membership. I may have left out other particulars and if so lets discuss this in detail.

In summary, I believe we as a board can see this project through but we must pull our collective resources together and figure out this project together. I think I have a 65% solution here however what caused the other Group Buy's to fail? If we can address those previous failures and maintain a no bullshit posture with Extreme Dimensions I think we can pull this off. Lets talk about this gents.



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Edited by pot (09/20/14 10:16 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189333 posted 09/19/14 09:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Pandora's box, has been opened. Shit, while we're at it, lets get a group buy on trunks too. I'm in for that one.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189334 posted 09/19/14 09:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This is by far the most well thought out attempt, yet, on paper.

Money will still have to leave hands, get burned up, and product will have to return to said hands.

It's a nervous situation, mostly considering the past, but moving forward ... just has to happen.

Am I looking to buy a hood, no.

Do I want to see things like this work for the members here, that have money to put where their mouth is, and can see it through; YES.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189337 posted 09/19/14 10:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
JDM Hood!! Fuck the stock hood!! I'd be down for one if a JDM CF hood is made. But this would also make me want a truck as well

I wasn't around for the other group buy but from the stories I've heard I am skeptical of this though

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189344 posted 09/20/14 12:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Depending on cost I would do it. Definitely JDM. Why would I want s stock hood? Are we talking Dry carbon or wet? I assume wet, but I have to ask.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189345 posted 09/20/14 12:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Carbonetics Carbon Fiber has been incredible for the DSM community over the past 2 years. I'd be more inclined to use them.

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They have developed multiple new products for 1g and 2g without much outside influence: dash pocket tray for 2g airbags, 2g rear hatch with built in CSL style spoiler, and even a full roof replacement for a 1g. I've bought from them in their group buys and was very happy with turnaround time and product quality. I can talk to the owner and get answers to these questions as well.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189350 posted 09/20/14 12:47 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Pot, did you ask where they are being made? Mexico or on site? I would recommend the deposit and final payment be made on a credit card with a no nonsense dispute/ refund policy. So if there are problems everyone is reimbursed. Paypal and your screwed.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189359 posted 09/20/14 08:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting manikbastrd:

Why would I want s stock hood? Are we talking Dry carbon or wet? I assume wet, but I have to ask.




Because stock hoods are so heavy it would be 22lbs lighter



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189370 posted 09/20/14 10:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Will they be all carbon fiber, or fiberglass wrapped in carbon fiber?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189387 posted 09/20/14 01:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Likely the latter as that's how most are made.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189425 posted 09/20/14 07:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm down for this; if it's the JDM hood.

Otherwise, no thanks.

Great job on the write up Pot.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189427 posted 09/20/14 07:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
A JDM hood would be great but a 5-6 month wait sounds like a disaster.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189445 posted 09/20/14 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
JDM hood sounds good. 5-6 weeks sounds bad.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189466 posted 09/21/14 11:01 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
+1 on the jdm hood. I would be game for it. Following.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189474 posted 09/21/14 12:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Any way you cut it, $500 + shipping for a JDM hood is cheaper than the real thing. I'm interested to see how this progresses.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189476 posted 09/21/14 12:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This is interesting, I think a jdm would be nice. But i think since some have been burned on deals like this, you should put your name on it too,since youre putting this together. If you vouch your name, I'm in.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189478 posted 09/21/14 12:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just want a fg one. The added cost of the bs fake cf just isn't worth it. I'd be painting it anyway.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189482 posted 09/21/14 01:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I got burned by the hi-rev deal and never recovered my money. That being said, I would be interested if it's a jdm hood and credit card payment is an option...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189483 posted 09/21/14 01:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Also, a cheaper fiberglass version would work for me too. It would definitely be painted either way.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189493 posted 09/21/14 03:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting tektic:

JDM hood sounds good. 5-6 weeks sounds bad.




Go back to the OP and re read it it's not a 5-6 week process it's a 5-6 month process people. I'm I the only one who can see that what is this the twilight zone, nobody cares about putting a down payment on a item and not seeing it for 5-6 months!

I guess it's because half of your cars are on jack stands, production time is too long 5-6 weeks would be more reasonable.
Why would a company say 5-6 month for a production for a part that they'll have a design for sounds like there gonna file bankruptcy within that time.

Wake up people!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189496 posted 09/21/14 04:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My guess is that they would be busy doing regular business and r an d'ing this on the side during free time? That being said they look to be well equipped, the real question is can they reproduce bumpers!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189524 posted 09/21/14 08:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting ghostinthevr4:

I guess it's because half of your cars are on jack stands




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189542 posted 09/22/14 02:03 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Pot, honorable of you to take on this task given the history of CF group buys and I wish you well in your endeavor.

Having said that, in my humble opinion and based on real life experience living with a aftermarket CF hood from Hi Rev made back in 2010ish, the hood would absolutely no questions need to be made in three pieces. The hood itself and two vent pieces WITH threaded posts built into them and provisions on the under side of the hood so the vents can be installed and removed just like a metal JDM hood.

Reason why three separate pieces are needed: Because after only a few thousand miles of street driving in mostly cooler months (no traffic, it's not a DD, no track use, just putting around town basically) I have determined that the heat from the engine/exhaust mani is so strong in that area that it is the main culprit of the cracks in the horizontal slats of my vents.

The biggest fail with the HIRev hoods was that they glued the vents to the main hood. This leaves one with no way to remove and replace the vents once the heat has baked them to the point where they (vents, plastic type resin) eventually will crumble away. Mine horizontal slats are in the beginning stages of deterioration with mild to moderate cracking. I can provide a pic for reference.

Yes I feel the mold should be of a JDM unit, not a US spec hood as I believe those are still available made by someone here in the states. The need to alleviate heat from the engine bay is a high priority IMO. Do a vented hood or don't do it at all.

In closing, I am too poor to afford one anyways so unfortunately I cannot put my name on the list.

Good luck.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1189543 posted 09/22/14 02:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting GSTwithPSI:

Any way you cut it, $500 + shipping for a JDM hood is cheaper than the real thing. I'm interested to see how this progresses.




All said and done I have about 900 into my HiRev CF JDM replica hood:

CF hood was about 675 which included insurance in case of damage during shipping. Hi Rev did pack the hood well though, wrapping it with a foam border and bolting rectangle wooden pieces to protect the corners nearest the windshield, wrapping it entirely in bubble wrap and then boxing it. It was very light when I received it, just the size obviously is why the shipping cost was high.

Aerocatch latch mechanism was 125 ish online.

Good foil was about 110 ish online and that doesn't include the few hours a day I spent for two weeks to stencil the gold carefully for the vallies and skeleton frame so I could lay down the foil trying to make it look half way decent.

My guess is they will begin the process and find that they simply cannot make a quality part for 500. Check labor hours at any body shop that is skilled in FG or CF and that rate multiplied by hours it will take to mold a hood and then go over that mold and smooth out any imperfections, dings, scratches. Then remake the mold and finally start laying weave and trimming. Then after all trimming of the weave is done, then begin resin. Many steps involved.



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