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Another option for bigger brake upgrade.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056706 posted 03/15/12 07:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
05/06 Outlander bigger brake upgrade.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056716 posted 03/15/12 08:47 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So we would just get outlander rotors and caliper brackets and use our calipers?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056719 posted 03/15/12 09:01 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Looks like it, but you have to convert to lug hubs.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056720 posted 03/15/12 09:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Or have the rotors redrilled



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056721 posted 03/15/12 09:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So 5 lug swap would take take of that? What about using the outlander calipers?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056808 posted 03/15/12 04:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes being 5 lug would make swapping the rotors easier but if you have 4 lug still just drill the rotors to fit. Drilling would be a lot cheaper and less time consuming.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056829 posted 03/15/12 05:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Some of these parts (possibly all, haven't looked exhaustively yet) also appear to be used on current generation Lancers, sportback, etc.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056908 posted 03/15/12 10:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the 06+ outlander carries same braking system as the Lancer GTS.

For my JDM 07 i buy all Lancer GTS stuff



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056909 posted 03/15/12 10:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
those rotors are also found on the Lancer Evo 4, 8G Galant VR-4 and the AWD 2G Diamantes. Unsure about the caliper brackets though, I know the Evo 4 and 8G Pre-facelift Galant VR-4 hubs have a different bolt spacing to the earlier 6G/7G/8G PFL GVR-4 and Evo 1-3.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056915 posted 03/15/12 11:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Also found on the 1G 3000GT VR-4 and Stealth TT



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1056936 posted 03/16/12 02:22 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ I believe the dimensions are similar but don't have the same lightweight design.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187436 posted 09/03/14 08:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
just want to add, for those whose want to go this route.
there is a cheaper option for sourcing new outlander
caliper brackets.

from amazon
manufacturer: Febest
part # 0477C-CWF
price $34.20 free shipping



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187542 posted 09/03/14 07:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Good find. I'll probably go that route when my rotors are beat.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187621 posted 09/04/14 08:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just to be clear, this uses 1gb dual piston calipers with a bigger rotor and bracket from the outlander? I'm asking I'm not sure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187625 posted 09/04/14 10:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There is yet another option as well. Apparently Cadillac CTS-V calipers have the same bolt pattern as our cars. The details are a little fuzzy, as I found it on probably the worst DSM forum of all (DSMTalk) but it looks like it could be done fairly easily as the calipers essentially bolt right up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187639 posted 09/04/14 01:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting tektic:

Just to be clear, this uses 1gb dual piston calipers with a bigger rotor and bracket from the outlander? I'm asking I'm not sure.




this uses the stock VR4 calipers (same as 1GB) and yes, outlander rotors, you've got to match them to your stock rotors and redrill them. I bolted my old rotor to the new rotor (one lug hole lines up) then centered up the center bores, clamped them so they wouldnt move and drilled the 4 lug pattern (3 holes) into the new rotors.

It was really easy.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187668 posted 09/04/14 06:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I did the Outlander "Upgrade" on #19 and I honestly wouldn't recommend doing them (Waste of money IMO) But I maybe a bit bias as I mostly road coarse my car and after about 2 laps at my local track the brakes start to heat soak and by the end of the 3rd lap I have next to no brakes. And no I didn't use cheap pads/ rotors....

As for the CTS-V upgrade sounds interesting. I am surprised it really hasn't caught on yet as it sounds like a pretty straight forward swap.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187735 posted 09/05/14 09:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm driving this as the "summer brake" on my FWD Galant turbo. Due to the increased size the heat capacity and also the lever arm is bigger, so the brake is much more fading-resistant and has a better "bite" (therefore I mounted the smaller 276mm version for winter to prevent instantly blocking wheels on snow...)

The Calipers are basically the same as on Evo 1-3, Evo 4 gravel spec, Sigma and all Outlander up to the newest PHEV models. So calipers are easy to get (used or aftermarket) and not very expensive and also pads are available from all major brands (ferodo, pagid, carbone lorraine...)

Only difference throughout all the different models: the brake line is either connected via banjo or core thread, but brake lines are available for both (goodridge).

The discs are easily redrilled to 4x114,3mm pin diameter. Either on a post drill or - mostly for a few bucks - by any workshop with a cnc-machine or cnc-lathe. We used to bring ~4-5 sets of discs and a crate of beer and it always worked out

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187791 posted 09/05/14 09:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've read everything I could find on the ctsv calipers. AFAIK, no one has completed the swap....or at least completed it and posted about it. The mounting tabs are correctly spaced, and they are cheap. Seems like the offset of the caliper was strange though. I guess rotors with custom hats would be the best solution.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1187867 posted 09/06/14 08:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 89Patches:

I did the Outlander "Upgrade" on #19 and I honestly wouldn't recommend doing them (Waste of money IMO) But I maybe a bit bias as I mostly road coarse my car and after about 2 laps at my local track the brakes start to heat soak and by the end of the 3rd lap I have next to no brakes. And no I didn't use cheap pads/ rotors....




When looking at Wilwoods for my Colt (one off custom drilled rotors, spacers, and 4 piston calipers), the drop in pads setups gave something like 6 temp ranges.
Your pads likely do not have the needed temp range for what you were using or were outside the useage range, that your rotors were able maintain a heat sink for.
Not bashing, just stating that the Outlander rotors and most pads sets made for it, unless custom (READ heavy metal content with additives to match high temps) and essentially rotor killing style due to excessive wear, it's simply more swept area per rotor revolution that a you will get.

For the street, with an upgrade cold grip and or similar cold friction and elevated friction at higher temps, you will gain something from that setup; as you stated, this will only take you to a point. Everything overheats because not racecar, and not designed for racecar, yet.

We have to remember that these setups are for the street, not the tracks.

Setting aside the street, track setups use higher temp (super expensive fluids), larger rotors/swept area per revolution, rotor killing pads (mostly), and likely more piston area per corner with appropriate squeeze force, ducting, drivers who don't over run the brakes and understand their limits.

GVR4's using stock components can only go so far, as will using the Outlander parts. The Outlander parts do give an increase in efficiency, so a minor win for a decent price.

Did I mention that 2005ish Outlander struts, look very similar to what the GVR4/DSM/EVO/CSM use?

That's another story .... sitting on my garage floor.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1188027 posted 09/08/14 11:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The rotors for Evo 4 (gravel spec) and Outlander will fit - they have the same offset as the Stock E30 or 267mm (evo 3) disks...

The disks for Evo 4 are vented from inside, so they get the better cooling; but are ~1.5 times the price of the outlander ones.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1188094 posted 09/09/14 03:31 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting r4pt0x:

The rotors for Evo 4 (gravel spec) and Outlander will fit - they have the same offset as the Stock E30 or 267mm (evo 3) disks...

The disks for Evo 4 are vented from inside, so they get the better cooling; but are ~1.5 times the price of the outlander ones.)




got OE part numbers for theose Evo 4 gravel spec rotors?

Gravel spec are the RS Evo 4's that were non-Brembo?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1188235 posted 09/09/14 11:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
FlyingEagle, My setup up consists of, Rebuilt calipers, Evo 4 Brembo rotors, EBC RED pads, SS lines, Super blue brake fluid. Honestly for the amount of money I spent on this setup I probably would have been better off saving up for Evo Brembo's or something else. I only went this route as I still wanted the freedom of running 16" rims.

r4pt0x, ALL Evo 4's came with 2 Piston calipers and 296MM rotors. I have no clue where you picked this up from that only gravel spec's came with these brakes. After the Evo 4 all Evo's came with Brembo's. Now the Evo 5/6's RS model DID come with the 2 Piston 296MM brakes. Also Evo 3 Front rotors are not 267MM but I'll just assume that was a typo and meant 276MM

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1188338 posted 09/10/14 03:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting strokin4dr:

I've read everything I could find on the ctsv calipers. AFAIK, no one has completed the swap....or at least completed it and posted about it. The mounting tabs are correctly spaced, and they are cheap. Seems like the offset of the caliper was strange though. I guess rotors with custom hats would be the best solution.




I think this guy completed the CTS-V brake install...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1188347 posted 09/10/14 03:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I find the idea of doubling up brake pads inside the caliper to be extremely sketchy...

Also, big front brake kits increase forward bias. That's bad because it makes the already underworked rear brakes work even less. If you can get the rear brakes in on the action the fronts don't have to be so big because they aren't doing all of the work. So, I recommend that you go as far as you can with pad selection on the stock brakes before heading down the rabbit hole of big brake kits. Then, if you are going to install a kit, try to get one that increases front heat capacity without increasing torque. This will help the brakes stay cool without moving the bias still further forward.

Example 1: late 90's cobra calipers accept a 12" rotor but have SMALLER pistons so they don't clamp as hard. As a result the wheel torque remains the same as stock. This preserves bias while improving heat dissipation.
Example 2: Outlander rotors, outlander brackets and 1ga "small" calipers. Not sure if this package would bolt up but it would move the caliper out to accommodate a larger rotor but make the clamping load smaller - again, this improves heat dissipation while preserving brake bias.



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