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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1213704 posted 08/01/15 07:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Consider the fans from skip white on Ebay.

Ebay store for White Performance

Jerry aka Lancerman turned me onto these recently. He uses them.
I will be purchasing a few, in varying sizes, to see how they perform.
I am replacing the stock turbo C53a fan (puller with 2/3" shrouding) and adding a pusher, maybe puller where the AC fan should be.
Experimenting with 10, 12, 14" varieties.
Considering their twin 11" setup, but need some serious current from the alternator for that to happen, thus my alternator thread.
Stock Galant and Colt/Mirage radiators of the full length variety, are 14 3/4 tall x 26 5/16 long, that is the core alone, for reference when mounting things to it.
Those 11" fans in tandem (side by side) list the following dimensions: 24" X 16" X 4.5" (deep). These fans would require cutting off either the top of bottom portion to accomodate the core height. Likely best to trim the bottom up, until it works just right. They can still be made to work this way, and mount tightly in place. This goes against the pull and push setup that our cars share, with AC installed.
Might be too much for larger turbos pushing their outlets in the area of the front engine mount area, but it could still be tighter fitting that stock components; to be confirmed when I measure the stock fan I have out now. Stock Galant rad fans are likely just as deep with their shroud.

I am not going the SPAL FAL, or similarly expensive fan route. If Skip's stuff lives up to it's name and the ball bearings do the trick,
it is just a matter of fitment. You can't beat the pricing ... period; ever. I can afford to import these, versus purchasing anything local. Amazons selection sucks for Canada, even for vendors that have US holdings and oodles of products available on ".com", versus ".ca".
I have a Canadian vendor that I use a whole bunch, but the pricing is too high to justify what I need to try and accomplish in one shot, no returns on product, sell what I need after it is done if need be.

I highly suggest a 2/3" shroud that mates up pretty tight to the rad core/fins when using a puller in the stock location - pusher AC fan in the stock condenser location. Also, consider making templates for material to wedge in between the bumper and the condenser/rad, to accomplish as much air as possible across the cores, with nothing left to bypass when air is pushing or being pulled in. <- easier said than done, I know.

I am genuinely interested in how Mark's setup was working, so it's a two fold reason behind my adding and wanting to know more about this rad fan thread.



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Edited by FlyingEagle (08/01/15 07:43 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1213710 posted 08/01/15 08:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My only thing is I'd like to get some feedback about something known to work, which is why I was bothering Mark.

If you do end up testing out one of those Ebay fans you linked to, please let me know. The 15" model they list does sound promising, but it looks strikingly similar to the one I already have, which doesn't even move as much air as the stock puller. 2250 CFM is a lot of air; I'm a bit skeptical of that claim. Their ad also says many times the fan has a low amp draw, but they never actually list the amperage. They've sold a metric shit ton of them though, so maybe they are legit? Hopefully you buy one and let me know

Also, who the hell is Skip White?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1213735 posted 08/02/15 08:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
"with my china amp gauge they are around 9 amps free spin. maybe 10-11 on the radiator."

This is the response to my question about amperage for the 15" unit, when I asked Jerry his thoughts. They should jive with factory wiring ...

200 watt motor, per the advertisement.

Jerry's van thread, showing a Civic super thick rad with the 15" fan mounted, and funky homebrew shroud.
Van build thread on 4g61t.org



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1213744 posted 08/02/15 11:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Works great. I haven't driven the car much this summer, but I had it out a couple weeks ago. I took it to BaleBreaker brewery which is about 20mins away through town. Lots of stoplights and traffic. It was 100F out that day and while I wasn't using my laptop at the time, the needle on the dash gauge never even hit halfway.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215507 posted 08/28/15 03:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just an update:

I swapped in a 14" SPAL slim puller fan (VA08-AP51/C-23A 12v) and the car no longer has trouble pulling the temp down at idle. The SPAL fan moves a TON of air compared to the stock puller. Even with no shroud, the car is cooling better than it ever has. I drove the car back and forth to work today in stop and go traffic, and never saw anything over 210*. It was only 82* out today, so I'm hoping to get some hotter weather to see how it reacts. Overall, the larger fan seems to be working much better than factory puller did, and certainly better than the Mishimoto shrouded dual fan setup I had previous.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215508 posted 08/28/15 03:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm surprised it works better than the factory fan. The OE fan has always seemed the best option to me and worked better than anything aftermarket I have used, but unfortunately won't fit with my setup.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215510 posted 08/28/15 03:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, I think the fact that it's a 14" fan is what actually does the trick. I operated each fan side by side (the SPAL and the factory puller) and it seemed like there was a noticeable difference in the amount of air moved by the SPAL.

The 14" fan didn't actually fit the radiator that great. You can see in the pic it hangs below the end tank on the bottom. I had to notch the shroud a bit to get it to clear. There's a tiny gap between the fan shroud and the radiator as well. I was worried this would affect performance, but it seems to be working great so far.

I have the SPAL fan and the other no-name 12" slim fan wired together to come on at high speed via the factory fan switch. Soon, I'll wire them to a relay controlled by Link. I wanted to make sure the fan setup worked before I went through the trouble of wiring it into Link.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215511 posted 08/28/15 04:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Wiring it to 'link is as simple as intercepting one ground wire that goes to the fan switch, but it can be tapped into near where the stock battery location is. You can actually solder the 'link wire to it and set the parameters for when you want it to pull that wire to ground, or you can shut that off in 'link and let the factory switch do it's job. That way the fans plug in like stock still.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215519 posted 08/28/15 09:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

I know that the ECU can't control the fans on 1g cars, but if they did an output similar to the FPS and EGR solenoid outputs, and added temperature control parameters, it could probably work. Maybe?




My fans are controlled with those outputs. One comes on at 175, one at 195, and they both shut off wot. This really helped with fuel pump voltage at high rpm.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215685 posted 09/01/15 04:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, it was 91* today, and I drove the car to work again. Stop and go traffic on the way home, and it never got even close to hot. I think it's safe to say this new fan is a big improvement.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1215702 posted 09/01/15 08:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Thats great news. Congrats. I can't idle mine for more than a couple minutes currently. Will have to try your setup. What radiator is that?



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