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Re: Help with meth/water injection


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212573 posted 07/16/15 11:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Coltsfan:

I'm not a fan either. Sure it has it's good point, (cheap race fuel) but I'm not buying into all the other "benefits". I refuse to drink the cool aid.




My car makes around 150 more horsepower on e85 than 91. Coolaid tastes great!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212584 posted 07/17/15 08:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That's definitely true donnie. I'm sure I could crack 600whp with it, but in the area I live, it's not readily available enough for a street car. Fun strip car, absolutely.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212594 posted 07/17/15 09:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Wow that set up is small and legit



That cooling mist one is only $350 bucks and I read some good reviews on that set up.


How much you think I could make on the meth set up compared vs e85?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212604 posted 07/17/15 11:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've seen people make close to the same power as e85 with a good meth setup. The problem is that it's dangerous. Even without a clogged injector, bad pump, or other malfunction. None of the manifolds used on our cars were designed as a wet manifold. They have a hard enough time evenly distributing air, let alone a fuel air mix. I ran a car on meth injection before. With a rock solid 11.5 afr average from all six cylinders you wouldn't belive the spread of rich to lean the plugs were showing.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212605 posted 07/17/15 11:32 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
By the time its injected into the manifold with the heat it'll just turn into a vapor pretty much.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212612 posted 07/17/15 12:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
E85 is magical stuff. I bet I could make 75-100whp more if I went to that over methanol.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212613 posted 07/17/15 12:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Not to mention the benefits of E85 in RPMs that your not able to spray. IE cruising, part throttle, spool up, all these things.

How do you think I pushed a S16G at 22psi at redline to 320whp? On pump 93 best (and safely) was like 285whp. Once you start adding 6-9 degrees advance and leaning the mixture out, it's amazing how much power is found. Typical E85 peak timing is around 22 degrees. Some guys have pushed 24 degrees with 30psi.

And then there is the smell of burnt ethanol, oh is it heaven.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212618 posted 07/17/15 01:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Too late, ordered my methanol injection kit.


I'll see what this little evo3 can do



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212622 posted 07/17/15 01:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
With aggressive timing, 24psi+ boost, 3in exhaust and good cams, 380 should be close.

Post updates! I'm a MHI lover.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212638 posted 07/17/15 05:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting MellowVR4:

By the time its injected into the manifold with the heat it'll just turn into a vapor pretty much.



Exactly. The methanol vapor has a different density than air. Air with a large portion of liquid vapor in suspension will have different concentrations of the vapor at different points of the radius of the a turn because of different particle weights and centrifugal force. High volumes of liquid in suspension also change the flow characteristics of the gas, changing the dispersion pattern that was studied by the Oem for the air only manifold.

Meth works when used properly, like a direct port setup, and helps when fired into the charge piping. However it's very dangerous to push the limits of the setup when just dumping meth into the charge pipe. Search on the net, there are loads of people with melted and cracked Pistons trying to really push a setup with meth Injection.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212640 posted 07/17/15 05:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I plan to run like 17-18 psi nothing to crazy



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212641 posted 07/17/15 05:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Wait wait wait, hold up, WHAT?

Why the hell are you installing METH with a B16G at 18psi?!!!????

That's asking for trouble. Your going to risk a bunch over maybe just maybe a 20hp gain?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212647 posted 07/17/15 06:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just talking out of my butt, I'm no tuner by no means, just want reliable power.



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18PSI on a EVO3 is very easy to run. Very reliable and safe.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212806 posted 07/20/15 10:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
With meth injection also?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212809 posted 07/20/15 10:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You can spray meth, I was referring to potential damage from puddled meth, poor spray, no meth in bottle. There are chances that it could cause an issue.

It's not common. Once you mentioned running a B16G I realized your talking 40lbs/min airflow, and meth won't make a huge noticeable power with a small turbo. Your much better off with conservative timing and pushing 25psi without meth.

Meth won't get you a magical 60whp, I'd put money on 20whp with tuning. It's your project and it won't hurt to run it(as long as the system is functioning properly), but it's not going to make the 16g act like a 60-1 or hx35.

Plenty of people have hit 300whp with 91 octane on a B16g.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212862 posted 07/20/15 07:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My car on it's old turbine housing made 35-40 more whp with meth than straight pump. The gains are there, but obviously is setup dependent.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212889 posted 07/20/15 11:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My car makes over 60+ whp more on meth. But that's on an FP3052. And my pump gas maps aren't tuned to the max I guess.



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Ya was not expecting much but I always wanted to run it on a b16g



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I'm interested in seeing what it can do.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212925 posted 07/21/15 10:33 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Once I get in for my pro tune I will post results here



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I'd like to look over your link files too once your done. I'm geeky like that. I like to see what others run and different set-ups, that is as long as your ok with it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1212964 posted 07/21/15 03:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ya of course.


Tuning technology will be tuning my car



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id love to have someone finish up the tune on my car. i know there is still power locked away that im missing out on.



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send me a 3rd or 4th gear log and I'll have a look.



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