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When does an E316g really hit full boost?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122459 posted 05/09/13 02:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have searched around and there is surprisingly less information on this topic than I'd like.

Not sure what other variables would be involved besides having a 4g63, type of wastegate, what gear etc etc.

Really don't feel like watching my gauge going down the road either since it is below the radio.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122461 posted 05/09/13 03:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
what psi is 'full boost'? Are we talking the standard ~11psi ish? Oh my factory JDM Evolution setup the big16 hit the factory levels at about 3000rpms in 5th gear. Now that it's a 20G compressor wheel it hits 15psi in 5th at about 3200-3300rpms.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122464 posted 05/09/13 03:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Again, this depends on too many variables for any given car. The best way to figure it out is to use a MAP sensor and datalog boost against RPM.

And you really need to rewrite your article that's linked in your sig. VR4 doesn't only stand for 4WS. And I'm not really sure how you're estimating your 1/4 mile and dyno numbers if you can't even figure out what RPM you're hitting full boost at.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122472 posted 05/09/13 06:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting blkchr91:


Really don't feel like watching my gauge going down the road either since it is below the radio.





have a friend get in the car and watch it for you.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122485 posted 05/09/13 09:13 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Why do you need to know when the turbo spools? Especially a 16G? What are you trying to do, or gain?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122518 posted 05/09/13 11:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
More like 25 psi. I am sure that has an effect on the time it takes but not sure if that is the only factor.

Quoting fuel:

what psi is 'full boost'? Are we talking the standard ~11psi ish? Oh my factory JDM Evolution setup the big16 hit the factory levels at about 3000rpms in 5th gear. Now that it's a 20G compressor wheel it hits 15psi in 5th at about 3200-3300rpms.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122520 posted 05/09/13 11:23 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If I need to rewrite it so badly, what else does it stand for? Not sure what is up with the insults again. You have been alright towards me for a while. Took a guess based upon what other people with similar mods get.

Quoting turbowop:

Again, this depends on too many variables for any given car. The best way to figure it out is to use a MAP sensor and datalog boost against RPM.

And you really need to rewrite your article that's linked in your sig. VR4 doesn't only stand for 4WS. And I'm not really sure how you're estimating your 1/4 mile and dyno numbers if you can't even figure out what RPM you're hitting full boost at.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122521 posted 05/09/13 11:24 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think I'll have turbowop do it for me.

Quoting transparentdsm:

Quoting blkchr91:


Really don't feel like watching my gauge going down the road either since it is below the radio.





have a friend get in the car and watch it for you.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122522 posted 05/09/13 11:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
@Prove_it..trying to set stutterbox RPM for one and trying to get a rough idea when full boost hits on the other for tunerpro tuning.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122529 posted 05/09/13 11:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So here's the deal. A B16G doesn't need much help to spool. It really doesn't. I have my launch rev limit set to 5k and I'll build 6-8psi just bouncing the rev limit on my S16G, once I launch I'm at 26psi. No anti-lag needed. As soon as you get moving, you should see boost. I would say on a full stock block engine with good compression and a 2.5in downpipe you should see 20psi by 3600rpms. You really need a datalogger for this with a MAP sensor though. Honestly I always tell people not to guess with tuning. Even having someone in the car watching won't be accurate (close though) by the time your friend sees the boost and reads the rpm's there will be a delay. You need some sort of MAP reading and a wideband to be sure your getting your tune right.

Generally I see people set their studderbox/anti-lag around 4500-5500rpms. Usually the higher the rpms, then the quicker you get to second.

As it was mentioned before, this is a test and tune progress though. You may find that 6k is better, or 4k is better. Every car and every driver is different. There is no magic settings that everyone will use. Also keep in mind that the driver makes the car, it's not the car that makes the driver.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122531 posted 05/09/13 11:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
@prove_it...excellent post, appreciated and thank you very much.

I have a wideband already and a datalogger but no MAP. I think that your information suffices for my purposes generally.


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Quoting blkchr91:

I think I'll have turbowop do it for me.






What the fuck is your problem and what's with the attitude? This isn't the noob section, it's the tech section. If you feel the need to make 40 fucking threads that address basic questions about these cars, do it there.

I gave you straight up answers and brought to your attention the fact that your little article has some misinformation. Don't get butthurt at me for your inability to do proper research.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122555 posted 05/09/13 01:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Whatever...I'll ask you the same. What the fuck your problem is...it seems like you are always posting this shit in threads more often than not. It is always the same crap..."don't get butt hurt". It seems like it is you with the overall problem. I'll ask questions at my discretion and how I want regardless of your opinion on how you think I should ask them. As if you are going to stop me with your viewpoint?


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122576 posted 05/09/13 02:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If by "this shit" you mean answers to your simple questions, then yes, I do post that stuff more often than not. My "problem" is that I posted answers/info in your many threads and you didn't like what I had to say so you got all upset and call me "the almighty" amongst saying other things in an attempt to insult me.

Your discretion sucks. None of these threads are worthy of this section of the forum. When does a 16g hit full boost? Really? Some simple research would tell you that's its based on almost as many variables as you have worthless threads.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122581 posted 05/09/13 02:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I am not talking about my threads exclusively. You have done this to a fair number of people in different threads. If is YOU doing it to many different people did you ever stop to think that the problem might be YOU? I have come across these threads and I have kept my nose out of them because I don't want to escalate anything but now you are jumping on me personally.

I mean come on, your car is gorgeous and you know your shit. We both know that. You have a gorgeous BG and I am not afraid to say that....but you can't say that my discretion sucks because it is a technical question and is subject to many other variables that I don't understand and need help along the way just like other people in the technical forum. Sometimes I think that your ego gets in the way of being a little bit nicer to people.

You claim that NONE of my threads are worthy of being here but you yourself didn't have an answer on one of my threads. In fact, other people asked other questions in the same threads and everything was just fine. No one told them to search. You just don't like my style of posting or don't like me for whatever reason. I don't think that my discretion sucks and will continue to ask questions as I see fit unless stopped by a mod. I think that your overall attitude sucks and that you are far too aggressive for whatever reason at times. I am here to learn just like everyone else. It would be nice to post without being insulted and you for whatever reason seem to get on these binges where you insult people. I really don't understand it man.



Quoting turbowop:

If by "this shit" you mean answers to your simple questions, then yes, I do post that stuff more often than not. My "problem" is that I posted answers/info in your many threads and you didn't like what I had to say so you got all upset and call me "the almighty" amongst saying other things in an attempt to insult me.

Your discretion sucks. None of these threads are worthy of this section of the forum. When does a 16g hit full boost? Really? Some simple research would tell you that's its based on almost as many variables as you have worthless threads.




Edited by blkchr91 (05/09/13 02:18 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122587 posted 05/09/13 02:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well....here I go.

(1)Mark has a point. Why create multiple threads for the same question?
(2)Search is your friend. The search on the site is a bit tricky, but in the age of Google, there is no excuse. Period.
(3)Careful what you say, this isn't YOUR forum. And if you are going to be bashing everyone that tries to answer your questions, why should we answer them?

And they are right, compression ratio, exhaust size, flow, boost level, so many factors. Typically you should expect full boost between 2500-3500rpm.

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Once again, I answered your question by telling you spool time is based on variables, none of which you gave. That's as far as the info goes. I tried to help.

I get along with and am friends in real life with waaaaay more people on here than I don't get along with. The problem isn't me. It's thin-skinned noobs like you that can't handle the truth.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122591 posted 05/09/13 02:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
@wizardAWD

Who did I bash? 2 people who started crap with me and maybe now yourself as a third? I did nothing wrong, so your post is unilaterally biased. Like I said, my posts spawned other questions that are searchable and other people are not being told to search in other threads for lesser questions.

I certainly won't be asking questions of you since you are partial and certainly don't care if you answer them moving forward. I will be careful about nothing since I have done nothing wrong. I'll just remember members like you when it comes to advice or for sale threads.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122593 posted 05/09/13 02:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well that is good for you. You have to be the problem if you are jumping on people. You never asked me to provide you with those variables and I really didn't know that I needed to give them to you. Others jumped in with some ideas. I mean there is nothing wrong with a generalization is there? After all, I could send off to get my car tuned by an 18 year old and they would certainly give me a stutterbox rpm with no issues.

Thin skinned? Well you have the attitude and I see no need to sit back and take it.

Quoting turbowop:

Once again, I answered your question by telling you spool time is based on variables, none of which you gave. That's as far as the info goes. I tried to help.

I get along with and am friends in real life with waaaaay more people on here than I don't get along with. The problem isn't me. It's thin-skinned noobs like you that can't handle the truth.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1122594 posted 05/09/13 02:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes...almighty... Your concubines are the judge and jury.

Quoting turbowop:

"I've done nothing wrong."






Edited by blkchr91 (05/09/13 02:36 PM)

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What the fuck does stutterbox have to do with a thread about spool time? You want answers to spool time based on a certain turbo? You need to give details. I tell you this and also tell you your article has misinformation and this thread goes sideways because you think it's an attack. Wipe the sand out of your twisted panties and the fuck up.



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I think you need to calm down and take the advice that was given on the multiple threads you have started. I have seen many cases where you will flick shit at people that were trying to help. You sir have the problem here and are just offended that someone is telling you how it is.
Hopfully you can reflect on this for a while and learn from it.



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