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Different front engine brackets?

tektic

Well-known member
Looking through my parts and noticed one power steering bracket labeled 10 and one labeled 8. Are they different?
 
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pot

Staff member
Below is a picture of the stock P/S rack and they do appear to be different:

 

tektic

Well-known member
I meant the front engine bracket that in turn holds the power steering pump bracket. Ihe one with the 2 studs that the rt side L shaped engine mount bolts to. Sorry. I guess that wasn't very clear at all.
 

strokin4dr

Well-known member
Pics?
 

iceman69510

Turn Right Racing
Staff member
I have never noticed a number on mine. Where is it located?

I have never noticed a difference either. The bracket would not be a cast or molded part, so I see no reason for a number on them.
 

tektic

Well-known member
Still wondering about this


This one is from a non turbo manual 1g. The one from my auto Galant gsx has an 8 instead of a 10.
 
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tektic

Well-known member
I just noticed these are a matched set. The engine that came out of my Galant has an 8 cast into the the timing bracket as well. There is a 10 cast into the dsm bracket.
Someone please look to see what number is cast on the vr4 brackets please.

I took a picture but won't upload right now. I'll try again later.
 

holeshotmoe

Well-known member
VR4 stock is an "8". Here's the one directly above the pump (in a mirror). Not sure the other one you're referring to.

 

tektic

Well-known member
Thank you. I was afraid of that... although hopefully this is actually the issue with the drive train noise.

Edit: ASA says they are the same... Unless I'm using it wrong. I don't know why they have two different numbers on them. Looking up that I came upon this:

Driver bracket for vr4------------Mb436505
Driver bracket for awd dsm--------MB346741

Why do I remember being told over and over again that the driver side mount was the same size?
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holeshotmoe

Well-known member
I just checked ASA for my galant and my 90 eclipse VINs
and confirmed your numbers for the L-shaped brackets.

Also confirmed your number for the cast piece. But I
checked my eclipse and it has an "8", not a "10".
Lastly, front-center bracket (under the turbo) on the
eclipse has 347 on it...but it's a 5-speed. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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tektic

Well-known member
The 347 number is for a awd eclipse front, yes.

Your awd eclipse has a 8 on it? I wonder if the 10 is from fwd only?
 

iceman69510

Turn Right Racing
Staff member
Are the 8 and the 10 actually discernibly dimensionally different? Some times those are just casting mold numbers.

I think the main difference is the FWD vs. AWD configurations. Due to the gearbox/transfer case the positioning and I believe even the angle are different.
 
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tektic

Well-known member
I'm digging through my parts bin after lunch to see if I have a set of 8s. The other one is already installed on a rebuilt block.
 

holeshotmoe

Well-known member
Quoting tektic:
The 347 number is for a awd eclipse front, yes.

Your awd eclipse has a 8 on it? I wonder if the 10 is from fwd only?


Yes, yes, and maybe (don't know)
 

tektic

Well-known member
I have two side / timing bracket that I measured and compared. That's not actually an 8 as far as I can tell. There's 3 digit numbers on the intake side of them. One bracket says 326 the other says 327. 327 is about 8mm taller than the other.


 
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iceman69510

Turn Right Racing
Staff member
Check the size of your pictures. Uploads are limited to 2 MB. I usually have to resize my 4 or 5 MB pictures to load here.
 

tektic

Well-known member
I updated my thread. It was intact image size. The side bracket is definitely different for fwd cars. I haven't been able to discern a difference withe the front bracket.

On another note the engine mount itself is different. Someone please measure this a vr4 specific one for me .


 

tektic

Well-known member
The plot thickens... my car is actually different then your cars. The driver side bracket on the automatic is slanted foward a 1/4".
 

tektic

Well-known member
This is what I'm talking about .

Today I installed a Galant vr4 front roll stop mount inside the 344 bracket I already had mounted in my car. It's smaller than the dsm roll stop in many ways. As a result, the engine is no longer twisted. The bracket for the drivers side engine mount is pushed forward more so on the automatic e38a chassis than in a manual e39a. The distance between the valve cover and the rad support on a vr4 is 9-5/8" . This is the measurement I now have on the passenger side, but In order for me to get that on the drivers side I have to move this bushing loop approximately 14.5mm to the front. That's quite a way. I wonder if a bracket exist like this in other markets.

Edit: lol! I think it does exist. I linked a picture of it earlier in this same thread!
 
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