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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994517 posted 05/21/11 02:45 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So Im planning on getting some wheels for the galant in a couple monthes. Right now im pretty set on getting the xxr 522 wheels. My questions are how bad would wheels that had a 0 offset look on the galant or how low of offset could you go before it would look dumb. Also does anyone have any pics of galants with low offset wheels especially the xxr 522. Thanks.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994584 posted 05/21/11 02:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah your right I looked at at some xxr 527s and the highest offset they come in is 17x8.25 in a +35 offset. So I might try and get these...cause only 3mm of difference from a +38 offset shouldnt be to hard to make look good.


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You can get it with a 5mm spacer



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994590 posted 05/21/11 03:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yeah that would work it would put it right at 40.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994603 posted 05/21/11 05:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No, that's backwards. Adding a 5mm spacer would create a +30 offset, which would cause the wheel/tire to stick out more. +35 will tuck with a little negative camber. Pics of my car in the link in my sig for reference.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994679 posted 05/22/11 12:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Turbowop is right I was thinking a +42 with a 5mm spacer=37mm offset



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994690 posted 05/22/11 01:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok I learned something new today...my main goal is to go for this look...

a little bit of concave to the wheels. So what kind of offset would i need to pull this look off on the galant...without it looking too stupid


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You can't really do that with our cars unless you go with flares or roll the absolute shit out of the fenders to fit really wide wheels. Wheels with the concave look are WIDE (10"+), which require the spokes to go inward toward the center of the wheel. With our cars, you're pretty much stuck with flat spokes.



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Edited by turbowop (05/22/11 02:50 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994759 posted 05/22/11 01:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Really well thats kinda gay... so +40 would just be a flat face to it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994769 posted 05/22/11 02:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You might call that XXR company and talk with them about it. From their website they make it sound like even the slightly skinnier and higher offset wheels are designed to look that way. Generally Mark is right, but who knows, maybe get some actual photos from that XXR of a specific wheel and offset to confirm that they actually look that way in a sane offset and width.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994777 posted 05/22/11 03:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
it depends on rim, size, tire size, and offset,Camber is a big part as well. Thats just me though,In Norcal we a lot of us up here are part of that Hella Flush mnovement.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994818 posted 05/22/11 05:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah I like the hellaflush look...so brunoboy if you could give me some specs on what you guys are running for wheels like that.

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Each car is different, I'm looking for a setup that works, on my brothers Wrx wagon he runs a 18x9 +35 with a 235/40/18 camber in all around, my boys civic hatch 95 runs a 16x9 front and 16x10 rear not sure what offset but it's in superstreet and all that. Another homie is running a 18x10 I think +27 on his Evo viii, long story short you just need to find a rim that fits and with the right offset. If you want concave a lot of rota replicas are like that compared to real rims.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994845 posted 05/22/11 06:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
why is that hellaflush shit is looked down of on here? i dont get it. all it is, is just the stretched tire look with a decent suspension drop. or do i have it wrong?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994853 posted 05/22/11 07:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Some people like to pretend that vr4's actually handle well to begin with.
Or maybe it's that it's hard to show off you sweet fitment when the car is on jackstands?

18x9 +30 with 235/40's fits with a bit of a roll/pull. There's plenty of pics of my car with this setup scattered around this site.
A slightly narrower and/or shorter tyre (I'm swapping to 225/35) will stop it rubbing the fender at full lock and allow you to run lower.
Bare in mind though you will need some sort of roll centre correction in the front - not just to restore some of the handling, but to give clearance between the steering tie rod and the crossmember. Plus adjustable upper arms for the rear.
If you are happy to run a lot of camber I reckon you could probably get an 18x10 +15 with a 225/40 under the rear paired with an 18x9 +12 and 215/40's at the front it would make for a very agressive look.

The main problem (aside from the tie rod issue mentioned above) when going for the hellaflush look with these cars is that the sump/gearbox/crossmember hang down several inches lower than the bottom of the front bumper, so even when the car is stupidly low, it doesn't look it... so some form of front lip/side skirts will be needed - there's nothing off the shelf and it would take a clever design to suit the rest of the body and not look silly.
I've been looking at adapting one of the kits availible for toyotas jzx81 (a similar vintage, big, not very pretty sedan) but I need to have a measure of one and see how much will need cutting/altering to make it fit.

It's your car, so do what you like, but be prepared to cop some flack around here!



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Quoting GSX_TC:

why is that hellaflush shit is looked down of on here? i dont get it. all it is, is just the stretched tire look with a decent suspension drop. or do i have it wrong?




Because that's form before function. It's for looks only, and does jack shit for performance. What the fuck is the point of such wide wheels only to run a 225 width tire? It's fucking stupid. Anybody that wants performance wants the widest rubber possible, not the widest rim with the narrowest tire possible. When a car is built up for performance the correct way, form will follow and the car will look killer. Do it the other way, and the car will always look like a shitbox. It's no better than adding all the Autozone accessories to your car.

Our cars do not have the correct suspension geometry/components/wheelwells/rideheight to pull off the "hellaflush" look. Lower the car too far and your geometry goes all out of whack, you ride bumpstops, and the lower crossmembers/trans/oilpan will be practically scraping. I see so many n00bs come onto this forum asking about it, then a bunch of people saying it can be done, but I have yet to see one single picture of a GVR4 done like this and actually pull off the "look".



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Edited by turbowop (05/22/11 07:10 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994865 posted 05/22/11 08:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
K maybe I used the term hellaflush wrong... I like concave look with the car lowered down enough so theres no wheel gap...i dont like stretched tires. Id just want no wheel gap and wheels that have the concave look. Sorry for starting this flame war lol.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994868 posted 05/22/11 08:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I like the concave look as well, but I also realize that wheels with that look are like that because they are wide and have an offset that creates it. Such wheels do not fit the GVR4 without substantial fender rolling, flares, negative camber, etc. Or you can get some and just let them stick way out of the fenders.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994870 posted 05/22/11 08:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well if i got +35 offset how much pulling would i have to do...i dont mind a little negative camber..nothing to crazy.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994872 posted 05/22/11 08:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You don't need to do any of that for a +35 offset, at least with an 8" wheel. Look at pics of my car, they tuck just fine. But my wheels don't have that concave look you're after.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994876 posted 05/22/11 08:45 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think the xxr 527 are made with the concave no matter the offset. So ill contact xxr to make sure but im pretty sure thats how the wheels are supposed to look/

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994886 posted 05/22/11 09:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think they might have a concave look to them, but only because that wheel is designed so that the spokes come out past the rim. Hideous, IMO.

*edit* That's the 522's I was looking at I guess. I don't think the 527's will be concave in that size/offset.



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Edited by turbowop (05/22/11 09:29 PM)

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Quoting rocko:

I think the xxr 527 are made with the concave no matter the offset. So ill contact xxr to make sure but im pretty sure thats how the wheels are supposed to look/




Exactly. You need to get photos of actual wheels in the specific offset and widths that will work. Not just some generic pic of an evo X with the wheels on it.

Looking what whats stocked @ NLM site you'll want to get pics of these sizes;

522
17x8 @ 35
17x8 @ 48
17x9 @ 42
18x8.5 @ 30 *rear only*
18x8.5 @ 48

527
17x8.25 @ 35
18x8.75 @ 35 *probably rear only*

If you talk to them and they can do other offsets, that would make your wheel search a bit easier.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 994896 posted 05/22/11 10:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting turbowop:

Quoting GSX_TC:

why is that hellaflush shit is looked down of on here? i dont get it. all it is, is just the stretched tire look with a decent suspension drop. or do i have it wrong?




Our cars do not have the correct suspension geometry/components/wheelwells/rideheight to pull off the "hellaflush" look. Lower the car too far and your geometry goes all out of whack, you ride bumpstops, and the lower crossmembers/trans/oilpan will be practically scraping. I see so many n00bs come onto this forum asking about it, then a bunch of people saying it can be done, but I have yet to see one single picture of a GVR4 done like this and actually pull off the "look".




I feel like that applies to almost every car, just some have slightly less worse characteristics (comparitively) after going hellaflush.

You're right Mark, seems like there has been an influx of people on the board going for this. If you want to make your car look that way, then do it, do the freaking research, bite your lip and buy the wheels. You haven't seen anyone pull it off yet cause no one will nut up and make it happen once they figure out that it isn't a look that you can just go out and buy. A lot of time goes into figuring out what will work and every boy racer who wants his shit hella flush doesn't want to actually do the math and measure to figure it all out. It can be achieved, the ride will suffer, handling will suffer, driving on regular roads might not be a lot of fun daily, but you can do it. So get out some tools and go figure it out, or buy some damn wheels and see what happens. This isn't a wrx or a silvia where thousands of people have done some version of hella flush and you can just go, "ok, I need a 19x10 @ 28mm for the rear".

Oh wait, its hard when you have to figure it all out for yourself. So you're right Mark, you'll probably never see it "pulled off."

If you want to do it, and are tired of people telling you its dumb or can't be done, than effing do it! Stop asking questions cause no one can tell you the answer, cause no one has actually done it! The info to get you started is all on this forum, but don't expect to find the end all specs for a hellaflush look on a forum that won't have them.

So, this is to all you hellaflush guys. Do it already.

*edit* Sorry for getting a bit off tangent Rocko. This isn't necessarily directed at you. Your best bet really is to find some real world photos of the wheels that work on this application and go from there. When you get the wheels, post the shots up of how it looks and a ride report.


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