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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017265 posted 09/10/11 12:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Currently I'm running close to 300whp on a 14b. I also have an old ACT 2100 clutch and it's starting to slip. I plan on getting up to the 400whp with a 16G and will be installing a 2600 PP and I was wondering if I would be better off with a six puck sprung disc, an ACT street disc or an OEM disc. I plan on driving this everyday. I rarely ever deal with traffic. There is a chance the car could make more power in the future. I will be replacing all the clutch componets. So what will I be better off with?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017321 posted 09/10/11 05:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ACT street disc



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017363 posted 09/10/11 09:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If I was in your shoes I would get an unsprung puck...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017367 posted 09/10/11 09:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
any thing but ACT



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017369 posted 09/10/11 09:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ACT street disks have come a long way in drivability and feel, and should be ok with the 2600.

Can't go wrong with a good pucked disk, but it'll drive crappier for sure. Look up Clutch-net disks, they have awesome sprung pucked disks.

I've put MANY miles on 2600's and only had on slip a long time ago with a tired OE disk. I replaced my street disk in my talon with a clutchnet sprung 4 puck... and the street disk is in my galant now. The pucked disk has been in for over a year now, with a LOT of low 11, slicked launches and never had a problem yet.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017489 posted 09/11/11 01:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My clutchnet sprung 6 puck had the center splines wear out in short order.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017498 posted 09/11/11 02:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbofonz:

ACT street disks have come a long way in drivability and feel, and should be ok with the 2600.

Can't go wrong with a good pucked disk, but it'll drive crappier for sure. Look up Clutch-net disks, they have awesome sprung pucked disks.




quoted for truth. i put down 400 awhp on a 2100/6 puck unsprung with no slipping issues what so ever.

as for the hub/splines wearing out - anythings possible, Jim. my PTT twin disc wore out half the splines in only the front disc. but the clutch discs have almost new thickness after 6.5k of DD use and street abuse, had normal feeling, no abonormal noise or slipping. go figure.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017540 posted 09/11/11 06:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I was at the same place with the same two clutches in my 2g. The street disc will be easier to drive on a day to day basis, but won't hold as much as the puck disc. On the other hand, a puck clutch is grabby, but nothing you can't get used to after a little driving time. Both should hold the 400whp with no issues. Since the car is a DD, I'd ask yourself which disc you would feel more comfortable driving everyday, and go with that.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017700 posted 09/12/11 04:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
As far as drivability, I have been very pleased with my Spec stg3 setup. It's probably got about 10-15K on it so far running who knows how much power, but feels as good as the day I broke it in. Also, the pedal feel is significantly nicer compared to the ACT.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017701 posted 09/12/11 04:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I made 420 at the wheels on a fp green at 26 psi through a 2100 and a street disk. No need to over do it unless you just want room to grow.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017777 posted 09/12/11 03:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Do not use a stock disc with an ACT pressure plate! I was told a stock disc will work and it did not. Realizing the car won't reverse out of the garage after assembling everything is an awful feeling.

I've been running a 2600 for about 9 years. I've always used a full face street disc. ACT must have changed the design as of late or something, because I was seeing many people online having the disc malfunction. Something about new ACT disc springs hitting the 'fingers' on the older pressure plates. When I needed a new disc last year, I went with South Bend. It's sprung and kevlar, I think it's at least an 8 puck. It works and feels the same as the full face ACT to me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017810 posted 09/12/11 05:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have an ACT 2600 PP laying around. Was going to use that so really looking for a disc. Next question is after the PP has been sitting for a year its got some surface rust on it. Is it still good, should I have it hot tanked or is there a better way to clean it up. It is used, but lightly.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017826 posted 09/12/11 06:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i got a spec clutch on mine, works great, havent launched yet but i will lol.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1017974 posted 09/13/11 12:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So has anyone hear used or had friends use the xtd clutches. I am thinking of goin stg 4 with a 6 puck unsprung. Any thoughts



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018213 posted 09/14/11 03:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Never have used one personally, but from what I hear they're known to hold down 400-500HP without issue, and for the price really can't be beat if that's true. Just make sure you use a true Mitsu TOB.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018227 posted 09/14/11 06:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Alright, I've narrowed my choice to two options:

ACT sprung 6 puck
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SPEC sprung 6 puck

I'm favoring the ACT for some reason, just looking for input and experiences on these dics.

thank you!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018238 posted 09/14/11 07:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I wouldnt go with a sprung disc unless its a stock clutch. Unsprung 6 puck will hold more power and u dont have the chance to dislodge a tension dampener spring.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018312 posted 09/15/11 02:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The tendency for the springs to pop out of the disc seems directly related to the thickness of the surface material holding the pucks on and by proxy, the thickness of the tab holding the spring in place. I took some measurements of the thickness of the metal tab holding the spring in on a Spec clutch, an ACT 2100 and an Ebay F1 Racing clutch. In order of thick to thin it was Spec, ACT, F1. I did this when the spring on the temporary F1 plate I had, popped out and wedged between the flywheel and the disc. The Spec tab is twice as thick at the F1 and the ACT fell in between those two, but closer to the Spec than the F1. This was a year or so ago and I don't have the measurements anymore or I would post them for scientific purposes.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018324 posted 09/15/11 03:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've been fighting clutch issues as well. One thing that I can say, is that I prefer an unsprung disc over a sprung disc. Another thing I can say is that any clutch under certain conditions will have its drawbacks.

That being said, ask yourself "how do I truly drive?"

If you are like me, you used to beat the ever-loving shit out of your car every chance you got.

But now you've learned that pulling tranny's out sucks, and you just want something that has some go powwa and can also be reliable and relatively failure free. So you decide to fix everything that could possibly affect gear selection/clutch engagement/pedal stiffness, and you screw it all up.

Then you wish that you would stop listening to all of these people that say ACT sucks and you only drive your car when you have to, until you can put a 2600/4 puck unsprung combo back in it.

But what do I know?

Between my old talon and my current GVR4, I've killed more tranny's than I have fingers and toes, and at least 10 clutches over a combined 90ish thousand miles.

I will say that your flywheel needs to be machined by a professional, and this pro needs to be able to prove that he or she has properly cut the step!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018568 posted 09/16/11 01:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So what brand(s) do you prefer?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018598 posted 09/16/11 04:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I perfer act, ext, exedy, clutchmasters. They are all good it just depends on how much u wanna spend and the strength.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1018599 posted 09/16/11 04:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Its xtd not ext



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