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Re: Engine build and power


mitsuturbo
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957536 posted 12/14/10 02:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Get the diff lower than the rest of the transmission. Make SURE you pulled the 5 bolt gusset out from under the pass side axle area!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957537 posted 12/14/10 02:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ If I'm not mistaken, I think he already has the engine/trans out of the car.



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mitsuturbo
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957544 posted 12/14/10 03:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Drdamm21:

No I have not tried a pry bar as its aluminum and I dont want to break it . I will post when it gets seperated thanks everyone for the help!




Not according to this post.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957548 posted 12/14/10 03:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Drdamm21:

The engine is out but the damn tranny just will not seperate I guess just brute force then







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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957551 posted 12/14/10 03:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Let's play a little game called "follow the conversation".
If you look at entries in this thread just a few before your own, one with a bit of good sense could glean that the transmission is NOT in fact, out of the engine bay yet.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957553 posted 12/14/10 03:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So, the engine is out (see my post above), but the transmission is still in the car (according to you), but he's having trouble separating the transmission from the block.

What am I missing?

Also, click, clearly shows the engine/tranny out of the vehicle.



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Edited by Muskrat (12/14/10 03:31 PM)

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mitsuturbo
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957554 posted 12/14/10 03:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You know what? I'm an idiot, and wrong. The gusset sure as hell would not be in the way if they're both out together.

So, how the fuck are they stuck together? Especially if it's off the dowels?


Looks like im retarded here, Muskrat. Sorry man.



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Edited by mitsuturbo (12/14/10 03:33 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957555 posted 12/14/10 03:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Pull the engine and the tranny out of the car. Put both on the floor and pull apart. Far eaiser than messing with the engine in the air and trying to wedge them apart. If the tranny is in the car still that is your problem. The input shaft is kinked and won't slide out of the clutch disk.

Plus, you can use this time to clean up and paint the tranny and engine bay if needed.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957565 posted 12/14/10 04:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Get these out? 10mm I think.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957573 posted 12/14/10 05:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Beaner. You can't take those out unless you have the flywheel off.

BUT, DrDamm21, when you are trying to pry the whole deal apart, are you trying to pry the plate Beaner posted a pick of off the engine as well? The plate that is between the engine and the tranny STAYS on the engine.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957576 posted 12/14/10 05:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Beaner:

Get these out? 10mm I think.






Where did you get this plate new?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957581 posted 12/14/10 05:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ google.com

Barnes - you're probably right. I do remember there being a bolt down by the starter that has cockblocked me from separating the trans from the block in the past. I assumed it was that hole, just going on my memory.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957764 posted 12/15/10 11:10 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hello I will look for all these bolts again its just weird that the tranny will spin left and right and is about a half inch off the block and its out of the car on the ground I just have not had much luck with seperating it completely thanks again guys for all the help

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958749 posted 12/20/10 08:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You ever get this apart, or what?
What is/was the holdup?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958849 posted 12/20/10 06:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I installed my flywheel/clutch/trans last night and remembered this thread as I did it. If the transmission isn't parallel with the block, you can get the spline tweaked somehow into the clutch setup [pressure plate fingers I believe], causing your exact problem. If I were you, I'd spend some time making sure the trans and block were really close to parallel using a jack, wood wedges, cherry picker, whatever. After that you can just 'finesse' the trans away from the block.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958922 posted 12/21/10 01:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks I was able to get it off and the motor is on the stand now it was funny after fighting with it I just gave it a nice tug and it slipped off like butter . Now to see why and how the motor froze on me .

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961176 posted 01/02/11 02:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have found an e39a vr4 front clip listed as a 4g63 limited edition with yellow injector caps shipped to me here in AZ for 2500.00 I asume this is the 240hp rs vers. of the car and it gets me excited that I might buy this for the alternet swapp for my vr4 asuming this is correct my ??? is what if any diffrances would there be in the install mods ect. I am waiting for addl pics and the vin# to verrify it is a real rs car . Or is this just a big waste of time and money and I should just keep on the path of a rebuild and general mod quest thanks

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961291 posted 01/03/11 08:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Again, those motors are hit and miss. For 2500.00 you could have a FRESH motor and some minor mods if you really wanted to. When my buddy bought his it was only 1800.00 so that 2500.00 seems like a lot.

Think of it this way.... what if that motor leaks, has low compression, has bad valve seals, etc... You've spent 2500.00 on a USED motor and nothing mentioned above can really be checked until the motor is in the car. Do you really want to get that far only to have to fix things again?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961397 posted 01/03/11 05:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Seems like a lot of money for (essentially) 510cc injectors, big 16g and a cyclone intake manifold. You'll really want the ECU and full engine loom to get the best deal out of it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961452 posted 01/03/11 08:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Its a half cut car but its probly still a bad deal but it does come with complete front half cut car with all wireing and ecu

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961485 posted 01/03/11 10:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Buying a used engine, sight-unseen, from the other side of the world is a serious crapshoot, dude. Granted, you could probably sell some of the cosmetic bits on here to recoup some of your cash, but in the end, you're looking at basically a stock engine of questionable quality for your entire budget, which would mean you come up short on critical items such as oil, filter, plugs, wires, belts, hoses, coolant, and so on.

You will be happiest if you just do a simple stock rebuild. Stock lump is PROVEN to 400hp. Put a smooth $1000 into a fresh, zero mile stock engine, enjoy driving it while you break it in, and THEN decide how to invest your remaining $1500 to make it a screamer.

You do NOT need Frankenstein 2G piston setup.
You do NOT need a Cyclone intake manifold.
You do NOT need fatty injectors.
You do NOT need porting, a valve job, or any other headwork beyond decking for the MLS HG.
You do NOT need any more headaches.

It's going to start warming up before you know it, man. You've got about three months get that sled sorted, or else you're still going to be fucking with it in the summer. Keep it simple. Keep it maintained. Keep it reliable.

Don't buy into the hype. A reliable, running GVR4 beats a clapped-out, Frankenstein shitbox "racecar" any day of the week.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961517 posted 01/04/11 03:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I couldnt agree with this more. I'd take the advise on this page and do it in moderation if your looking for your money to go a long way for you.

The worst thing and speaking from naive experience in the past, when I got started is to not having anything at all.

I think its damn good advice to ENJOY the car and not put shit loads of money into something that will likely never get finished.

Shit just look you have 5 pages on this topic! ~ Do it right and listen to guys that have cars that run more than 1 day every 3 months.

Don't buy into the all the hype.



Edited by socalgvr4 (01/04/11 03:27 AM)

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boostedinaz
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961533 posted 01/04/11 08:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Drdamm21:

Its a half cut car but its probly still a bad deal but it does come with complete front half cut car with all wireing and ecu




I think you get the point we are trying to make Issac but look at it this way, you spend ALL your money on this front cut. What about new belts, water pump, hoses, paint, gaskets, seals, etc... All that stuff still needs to be replaced. Sure, you could sell some nice JDM parts and make some money back but again look at reality...shipping, pricing, communication, all things that are 1000% needed to make selling parts go smoothly. Do you want your build stalled because you are waiting on people to buy some bumper? Do you want your build to stall because your trying to put a motor in a car, but have to run to UPS to drop off some headlights? IMO, none of that is worth it for a mystery motor.

As Brian and I have said keep it simple and you will be enjoying the car sooner than you think.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961537 posted 01/04/11 09:17 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok ok i get it I think I found my engine? click

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 961561 posted 01/04/11 11:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
just incase anyone wanted to know what crazy idea I was looking at here the pics I was sent of the half cut



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