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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248607 posted 04/09/20 12:31 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have just gotten a 92 Galant VR4 #508/1000 and as of now she has snow tires and some other wheels, i am replacing them with the Volk TE37 White Wheels and was wondering what Coils to get for a good fitment, and what spacers i should get because when putting the wheels on, they barely nick the brake calipers because i replaced the original with the 3000gt vr4 brakes. Any help is appreciated, thank you!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248608 posted 04/09/20 07:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What size wheel, including offset, do you have?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248623 posted 04/10/20 12:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thank you for your response! So i bought these and imported them from Japan and heres the snippet of the size and offset.

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My FEAL coilovers feel great. I prefer them over the K-Sport and springs/shocks I used to have. As far as spacers, run as thin as you can, and get hub-centric if possible. JMFabrications still makes them in a few thicknesses.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248658 posted 04/11/20 06:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The only thing for the spacers on JMfabrications is i see they're only selling 5x114.3 when i need a 4 x 114.3. I'm thinking i should get between 3 - 5mm spacers, and i was thinking BC coilovers cause i havent heard anything bad about BC. I'll look into FEAL though for sure.

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I hate my BC's. Cheap, no travel, stiff, bouncy trash. I have the off the shelf 8k/6k (F/R) setup. I've wasted more time than I'd like to admit trying to get them to work well (acceptable) on the street. I expected as much when I bought them, but with the limited GVR4 specific options and somewhat decent reviews from others, I gave the BC's a try. Junk (IMO)...

I have no experience with, but have heard good things about Feal - especially the customer support.

We can also use CT9A struts/springs or coilover options. This adapter kit makes it easier than it used to be. click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248672 posted 04/12/20 02:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thats a shame, i was really planning on getting the BC's! haha i will definitely keep my options open. My plan right now is to get the RS kit, but i also want to get a replica AMG wing. But also trying to get new coils with some spacers since my wheels nick my calipers.

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Quoting moduleunknown:

I hate my BC's. Cheap, no travel, stiff, bouncy trash. I have the off the shelf 8k/6k (F/R) setup. I've wasted more time than I'd like to admit trying to get them to work well (acceptable) on the street. I expected as much when I bought them, but with the limited GVR4 specific options and somewhat decent reviews from others, I gave the BC's a try. Junk (IMO)...

I have no experience with, but have heard good things about Feal - especially the customer support.

We can also use CT9A struts/springs or coilover options. This adapter kit makes it easier than it used to be. click




Eeek, glad I didn't get them. I ended up getting H&R springs and AGXs and I like the setup. I wonder how much the swift springs would make.. Sounds like no matter what coil overs you go with, the swift spring upgrade sounds like it's worth it.

If you don't actually need to adjust the height for racing purposes, a H&R spring AGX combo is a solid street setup. Completely modernizes the ride.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1248674 posted 04/12/20 03:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hmmm, i was thinking about just going with FEAL with the swift spring upgrade, itll run my pockets of 1600, thats for sure! haha

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I bought Feal 441's with Swift springs after reading how everyone says how good they ride, but honestly my Talon on Ksports rides MUCH better. Both cars at similar ride heights. My old galant on Ksports also was better. I almost regret them when other Taiwanese coils ride better for...600 less



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Hijacking this post a bit but what coilovers offer still a lot of comfort for daily driving ? I don't mind if I have to adjust them in between but I don't want such super bumpy rides and stiffness while cruising with the family. On track it's super but I use it for daily driving and away time with the family as well



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1250008 posted 11/11/20 07:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I personally would go with gr2's for street and then just swap something in for track use, but I am getting older and wiser. I hate my FEALs for dd duty

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1250009 posted 11/12/20 11:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm usually %100 percent against coilovers for a street car unless you are going high end (K&W, Ohlins, Nitron) and always go with uprated struts and lowering springs for my daily's.

Buuuuut, I have an 01 Turbo Beetle that I got for free and it had 4 blown shocks and a broken rear spring. To get stock stuff was going to be around $500 and this was a mega budget build so I picked up a set of Ebay cheapy cheap cheap $187 coilovers and have to admit they are absolutely perfect for the street. They are the best balance between handling and feedback and comfort of almost all my cars. They are non adjustable and I have the rears set to max height and the fronts are about in the middle to have a slight forward rake. Still holding up great after 2 years as well.

Almost everything else I've ever been in with sub $1000 coilovers though has felt like absolute trash on the street. So bad I wouldn't even want them in a weekend car. I do see a very common trend of people thinking they need race level parts on their street cars though so that could be it.

I went from Evo struts with Tiens to Evo K&W V3s on my Galant and it actually handles and rides better.



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Edited by CutlassJim (11/12/20 11:59 AM)

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Quoting idreamidrive:

I personally would go with gr2's for street and then just swap something in for track use, but I am getting older and wiser. I hate my FEALs for dd duty




With what springs? I found gr2's with the stock springs too floaty and soft.

H&R springs with AGXs are more comfortable in the Galant than TEIN H springs .08" drop and AGXs in my Celica. Part of me wishes I had gone with H&R springs on the Celica, but the TEIN H had the least aggressive drop and I didn't want to go too low. The ride height / wheel gap looks about the same as a stock Toyotburu. Perfect for the mid west with snow and pot holes. Galant setup feels higher end for sure. Firm, but zero bump shock or anything harsh.



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The downside is there really isnít a high end option for these cars, thatís off the shelf. I was just in this situation, and tried getting Bilstein and ohlins to make me something as they are somewhat local. Neither wanted to. Also reached out to JRZ, who said they could and ghosted.

Left me stuck with the Taiwanese three. Feal,BC,Ksport. I went with BC, because I found a shop who can custom valve them with Bilstein guts.


My stock BC setup is not without flaws. You have to run them incredibly soft, and the springs are not matched well to the stock valving. I would assume the valving is the same for the majority of the coilovers they make. I donít have high expectations of them lasting over a year of street use.


Iíve read time after time, the AGX and H&R combo is trash. That those springs will blow out the AGX quickly. Who knows if thatís true, but itís probably a better ride over the BC.


Iíll either go through with having mine custom valved at some point, or fully commit to someone redoing some of the suspension geo and fitting a custom coilover setup in the car.


Hate to break it to ya, but there just isnít going to be a smooth ride on coilovers with whatís available for these cars.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1250015 posted 11/13/20 12:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Damn it. I'm really ready to spend 2500/3000 usd if I have to but I do not want a coilover set which isn't capable of offering a smooth daily driver ride.


It's even not a problem if I have to dial them in everytime I go to the track but it just has to offer some comfort daily driving.


But I'm guessing I won't get a better chance than the obvious agx/h&r combo then ?


Feal k sport en bc are way too bumpy and stiff for daily driving from what I've read overall...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1250016 posted 11/13/20 01:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting gvr4ever:

Quoting idreamidrive:

I personally would go with gr2's for street and then just swap something in for track use, but I am getting older and wiser. I hate my FEALs for dd duty




With what springs? I found gr2's with the stock springs too floaty and soft.



Floaty and soft sounds perfect for street use. You could even disconnect the front sway bar to get even more floaty for weight transfer. Oooh this sounds perfect! I would go back to this, if I didn't use my car to get to the local mtb areas and bombing down the gravel is fun in the FEALs.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1250017 posted 11/13/20 01:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Sburke:

Hate to break it to ya, but there just isnít going to be a smooth ride on coilovers with whatís available for these cars.




Ummmmm............


Quoting CutlassJim:

I went from Evo struts with Tiens to Evo K&W V3s on my Galant and it actually handles and rides better.




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^So this evo 8/9 ones do offer a smooth and comfortable ride ?



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I wouldn't say 1980s Cadillac level but I would drive on them every day easy. And I'm also getting old and hate a harsh ride so that's saying a lot. Heck I even ADDED sound deadening to the car.



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I currently have Robispec Street KW V3's with 8K Front and 9K rears. I've had a number of suspension setups. I would rate them like this:

Most comfortable spring/strut aftermarket in order:
Koni Yellows with H&R springs
GR2 with OEM springs
Bilstein MR's with Swift R Springs
On even pavement, AGX with H&R's were almost okay but the AGX's could not handle the H&R's

Coilovers:
KW and Ohlins are on par with each other with their own differences. I've had both and both at the same time to do side by side. The KW's absorb the smaller stuff better and are 2 way adjustable. than the Ohlin's. The Ohlins are easier to adjust as they are only one way but you have to adjust them from the bottom for the front because they are an inverted strut. The bodies of the KW's are stainless so they will hold up better to weather.
You can use the OEM tophats on the KW's so it adds the rubber on top and it helps.

Muellerized -JIC-FLT2 - Better than anything today offered under $1,500 new. Now discontinued and not easily rebuildable, Mueller really massaged them to make them that much better. Regular off the shelf might not be as good.

K-Sports: Rode well but had 3 blown shocks within 1000 miles

I may be selling my KW's if you are interested. They have about 5K miles on them and come with 2 7K springs as well.



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Edited by KiNgMaRtY (11/13/20 06:49 PM)

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I wouldnít run those unless it was the only option. Itís been documented the issue those adapters have anyways.

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Wanted to chime in, I promoted the Feals here for a while at my last job. Best bolt on option then but i'm not really "in the loop" these days. Any new players bring a gvr4 specific option to market, thats not just another taiwanese manufacturer who can put together a whatever spring and cartridge with e39a mounting parts?

This was my experience:

I started with AGX and some Eibach lowering springs. Mediocre at best. They finally died and I went to the BCs.

BCs on my gvr4- Ride quality was poor. Spring rates are not even really aggressive, just way overdamped and one size fits all valving. Overall build quality is fine for the price, generally their manufacturing is pretty consistent, meaning if you dyno all 4 of em they'll be close, and manufacturing defects are rare. At my last job, sold a shitload of em with next to zero warranty issues. Good stateside support from BC.
Cons would be that their valving is super generic. How that manifests is a damper that doesn't really excel at anything. Too much high speed compression, doesn't absorb big hits great, too much rebound so the car feels like it skips over gaps, jumpy, crashes down over a big bump at speed, feels less stable in high speed bumpy corners. They can "custom build" with whatever spring rates you want, and then will supply a damper cartridge specific to that spring rate, but it's gonna be the same formula whether they are for a galant or a 350z. That's as deep as the custom valving goes (unless something has changed). 8k gets X, 16k gets Y.

Feals are different vs BC, because the valving is actually vehicle specific, netting better performance in any scenario I can think of. An off the shelf spec BC kit rides harsher than a OTS Feal kit all day every day, all other factors being equal. You'll notice Feal has way less applications than BC. They spend a lot of time on R&D with each application. The gvr4 kit was a derivative of the 1g awd kit. Similar suspension kinematics and weight dist albeit different curb weight, so tweaked accordingly. Then a gvr4 was brought in for validation, then the gvr4 part number was born. They couldn't use the 1g front upper mounts so they were having gvr4 specific front camber plates laser cut in low batches. They were steel and super sturdy but I remember one customer had a corrosion concern. It seemed like they never had a consistent rear brake line adapter but i'd like to think they figured that out by now.

Still have my Feals on my evo 8, had em 5 years now. No issues. No it's not a gvr4, but the two cars have similar suspension kinematics and they were born of the same development process.
Compared to the stock evo KYB damper, they were a big step up in stability on track, particularly when hitting curbing and general mid corner stability. Smoother ride on the street- less harsh on the sharper hits. Less travel though so when you hit the bumpstop it's more harsh. US based support including overhaul and custom valving. Custom valving at Feal was/is actual custom valving instead of an approximation like what you get when you "custom order" BC BRs. Higher end BCs I suspect get a more nuanced, user specific valving spec.

Swift spring options are mostly good for a slight (practically imperceptible) weight drop and the springs in your set will be more precisely matched. Not sure how much this matters in a street car, honestly.

The Ohlins cars i've ridden in feel a bit better, but not enough to cover the ridiculous rebuild costs. Seriously, no thanks on that for a street car.

K Sports I haven't experienced on gvr4, heard mixed reviews regarding performance and longevity.

If you are trying to preserve a stock like ride, gr2 and stock springs are probably the best bet. Aftermarket coilovers have what, half the effective stroke?, way more rate and valving to kinda sorta match.

I think i'd like to try some KW V3s or maybe club sports next for the Evo. I was never really a fan of the twin tube stuff for track use but KW seems to have anti-cavitation pretty well figured out. Not sure if the cost justifies the added performance though, i've just been super happy with the Feals for what they cost up front, and economical rebuild cost.


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Any new players bring a gvr4 specific option to market, thats not just another taiwanese manufacturer who can put together a whatever spring and cartridge with e39a mounting parts?



As far as I know, nope. Just FEAL and they now make their own springs, so you need at least the "441+" to have the swift springs.


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Quoting KiNgMaRtY:

I currently have Robispec Street KW V3's with 8K Front and 9K rears. I've had a number of suspension setups. I would rate them like this:

Most comfortable spring/strut aftermarket in order:
Koni Yellows with H&R springs
GR2 with OEM springs
Bilstein MR's with Swift R Springs
On even pavement, AGX with H&R's were almost okay but the AGX's could not handle the H&R's

Coilovers:
KW and Ohlins are on par with each other with their own differences. I've had both and both at the same time to do side by side. The KW's absorb the smaller stuff better and are 2 way adjustable. than the Ohlin's. The Ohlins are easier to adjust as they are only one way but you have to adjust them from the bottom for the front because they are an inverted strut. The bodies of the KW's are stainless so they will hold up better to weather.
You can use the OEM tophats on the KW's so it adds the rubber on top and it helps.

Muellerized -JIC-FLT2 - Better than anything today offered under $1,500 new. Now discontinued and not easily rebuildable, Mueller really massaged them to make them that much better. Regular off the shelf might not be as good.

K-Sports: Rode well but had 3 blown shocks within 1000 miles

I may be selling my KW's if you are interested. They have about 5K miles on them and come with 2 7K springs as well.




I wasn't able to find the Koni Yellows when I did my setup, so I went with the AGXs.

I know KYB only warranties the AGXs with stock springs. Another option would be AGXs with stock springs. I've had AGXs on my Celica for 3-4 years now and no failure issues with a .08" drop. I haven't driven them long enough for say how long they will or won't last on the Galant, but I know that setting them stiff as they will go will likely cause a early failure. I think both my cars are setup 1 click firmer than the softest setting on all 4 corners.

For those who had failures, just curious as to how stiff you had the AGXs set and what driving style was used. I know they are for street use, not race use.

I was also thinking that H&R had revised the springs over the years. I got mine about 2 years ago, so they are the newest version. That might make a difference if they changed the spring rates.



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