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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077210 posted 07/22/12 09:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just recently I had this problem where if I were to do a WOT pull up to about 6k rpm in any gear, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to get into the next up, or even lower gear until I let the car settle down for a while.

For example: I do a 2nd gear pull to 6k rpm, try to go into 3rd but it wont, next I try to go into any gear and it still wont til I start to slow down. And once I do get into a gear, it makes a weird whining whrrrr noise.

Could this mean my synchros are going out?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077215 posted 07/22/12 09:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I bet it is your clutch that is dragging.

Since it is happening in every gear, it would mean all the syncros are dieing.

Put you car on a flat parking lot, stop, put tranny in 1st, clutch pedal to the floor, and rev engine to red line, if the car try's to move, clutch is not adjusted properly or you have a dieing slave/master or a problem with the fork/pivot ball.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077225 posted 07/22/12 10:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just replaced the slave cylinder, will try that clutch drag thing tomorrow

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077396 posted 07/23/12 10:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
UPDATE:

Just tried the clutch dragging thing (going on flat land and revving it in 1st gear), car did not move at all. So it cant be the clutch dragging, what else could it be?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077401 posted 07/23/12 10:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
When shifting, does the tranny come out of gear and just won't go into the next or is it locked in the original gear until the revs fall?

If you just replaced the slave, it may be air in the lines. It can be a pain to get the thing bleed 100%.

I use the two man method, I also use clear fish tank air hose to watch the fluid pump out to make sure it is clean and air free. I use the positive pressure method by having the person in the car put pedal to floor and hold while I quickly release the bleeder and re-close fast.

The clutch pedal will not come back off the floor by itself this way, tie a rope to the pedal to pull it back up after the bleeder is closed again.

I do this a ton of times, then drive a few stop-n-go, then bleed again.

By far the worst thing about doing tranny work.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077404 posted 07/23/12 10:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Check trans-to-block bolts.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077405 posted 07/23/12 10:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah about that clear hose thing, how do you fit a wrench on the slave cylinder?! Its impossible and the only way I can bleed it is if I put a socket on it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077409 posted 07/23/12 11:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That is a bitch isn't.

I took a cheap wrench and bent it to just the right angle to give a 15 deg (give or take) turn.

It is not fun.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077412 posted 07/23/12 11:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
When shifting it kind of locks into the gear but I rev matched it so itll come out easier, and its impossible to get into the next gear, almost like im not stepping on the clutch

EDIT: Ill order a speed bleeder valve for the slave and see how that goes...

DOUBLE EDIT!: In response to the checking for the transmission to block bolts, is this what you mean??



Also, I was checking my clutch pedal for play and it seems to react instantly between when I push, and when the MC rod moves. My pedal would go down just a tiny bit before I felt the clutch engage and the only play I saw was where that U bracket thing from the MC would wiggle a little.


Edited by xaisomboun (07/24/12 05:58 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077515 posted 07/24/12 05:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
edit bump

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077557 posted 07/24/12 09:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That one bolt is nothing. The one above the slave is what we're looking for. 14mm. Also the 2 top 14mm's and the rear 12mm above the tcase (goes in opposite direction)

If they were loose though, you'd see the trans seperate from the block when you press the clutch so I think you're alright there.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077568 posted 07/24/12 10:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah I figured that bolt had nothing, I also checked all the tranny bolts I could. All of them seemed tight.


I did an experiment on the way home from work today giving me valuable info you guys might need to know.

Since this only happens on a WOT pull in any gear, I decided to do one in 3rd gear and ONLY step on the clutch after that.

To my surprise, the rpms dropped SLOW, and I mean slower than usual. This would be indicating clutch drag wouldnt it?

Like I said earlier, it passed the "put it in 1st gear and redline it on flatland to see if it moves" test and it did not move one inch.

So Im gonna follow what Terry said and bleed the piss out of my clutch, and order a new MC since when I was adjusting today, it seemed a tad bit wet..

Will update more tomorrow!


Edited by xaisomboun (07/24/12 10:36 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077623 posted 07/25/12 11:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
While you are under the dash, inspect the clutch pedal arms and pivot points. Make sure everything is tight. Worn pivot points cause intermittant issues as well.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077629 posted 07/25/12 11:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Crankwalk.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077741 posted 07/26/12 12:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So on the way home from work, clutch decides to act up 5 miles away from home. I bled the clutch in the parking lot about 15 times, slave travel seems normal, clutch feel seems normal. Will wait for the new master cylinder to come in.

Worst case scenario, its probably my pressure plate.

Will update as I go!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1077751 posted 07/26/12 05:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Something similar happen to me once and it was my PP i'm not saying that it's ur case but maybe something to consider



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1078098 posted 07/28/12 03:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just replaced the master cylinder, still the same. Wont go into gear with the car on and I bled the clutch until my knuckles started bleeding lol.

Anyone else have any input on what it is before I start ripping the tranny for a new clutch/pp?

Also, all the pivot points on my clutch pedal are as tight as a whistle, the only part thats somewhat loose is the big hole with the cotter pin in the U-bracket that goes into the MC. But its only side to side wiggle play, non going in and out of the MC.


Edited by xaisomboun (07/28/12 03:05 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1078143 posted 07/29/12 10:15 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm going to say clutch disk popped a spring or your TOB blew up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1081681 posted 08/19/12 05:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Problem has been solved, old clutch disc popped a spring and a small piece of metal got wedged in between the clutch and flywheel.

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