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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874838 posted 02/16/10 03:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874906 posted 02/16/10 05:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting blackvr4:

EDIT: sorry guys talking about the ones in the US since we got the rare limited addition models with cool little badges




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874909 posted 02/16/10 06:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think part of it is where you live. Here in SoCal, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 on the roads in the ~6 years I've owned it and can't recall seeing any prior (I remember them when they were new and always stuck in my mind). This is in the land that you see just about any and every make and model at one time or another and 10 of each sometimes (like BMW's and Mercs, mustangs, new jap cars, etc.)...My 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 had only ~15k produced and while that seems like a high number comparitively, I've only seen a few of those, as well.

So, yes, they are certainly rare and especially here. As far asd desirable, depends on who you talk to...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874916 posted 02/16/10 06:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting blackvr4:


EDIT: sorry guys talking about the ones in the US since we got the rare limited addition models with cool little badges




Not everyone got cool badges, some came pre-badged or the previous owners removed them.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874927 posted 02/16/10 07:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting RedTwo:

Quoting blackvr4:

EDIT: sorry guys talking about the ones in the US since we got the rare limited addition models with cool little badges




3000 USDM VR4s vs ~25,000 JDM VR4 vs ~2800 JDM E38A VR4 RS vs ~1100 JDM ZR4




never knew zr4's were rarer than RS's - still fugly though :P



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874933 posted 02/16/10 07:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would love to have a Eterna ZR4.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874949 posted 02/16/10 09:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting H05TYL:

still fugly though :P




Agreed.

No doubt the cars are rare. The fact that you see a lot of them in a certain area just shows that it's an area with some cool mofos. Not to mention if you see one, another is probably nearby, since a lot of us own m0ar than just one.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 874966 posted 02/16/10 09:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting mrbonnell:

I see it as this, you see ford's, cheverolet's, hondas, mercury s, and so on everyday. you hardly ever see a Galant VR4, and to be honest I have never seen a VR4 on the streets other than my own. I think you could rank a VR4 up there with the rarity of some of our desired dream cars seeing as there are so few.





i would agree with this as i have never seen another gvr4 until my older brother found one in Sioux Falls and then i met Dave(darksideauto) and those are the only other 2 i have ever seen in my life but i have owned mine for 3-4 years it took me at least 2 years to see another one...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875005 posted 02/16/10 11:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i've only ever seen 2 other Galant VR4s other than my own in my life, one of them is one of DR1665s, and the other was a rally car in prescott AZ back in october. saw like, 5 base model galants in our body style when i went home to VA this past december, but i've never seen them anywhere around here

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875023 posted 02/17/10 12:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
In Va, Jonas' (blitzgvr4) #533 was the first gvr4 I ever saw and would see from time to time, then a 90 GGSX popped up around town. Though every now and then I did see a regular 6th gen on the road. Out here, there seems to be a higher concentration of GVR4s than there were over there, but most are in hiding. I believe there is one off the highway in Bellingham heading towards Mt. Baker.



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Edited by raptorreed (02/17/10 12:50 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875026 posted 02/17/10 01:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i've probably seen 6 in my travels. only seen three locally. i was suprised to see there were at least four in my area though. terry's, kevin's, mine, and a guy who brought his down from cedar rapids and wrecked it. and nobody here knows what they are.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875028 posted 02/17/10 01:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Of the probably ten or so I know of locally, only one is owned by somebody I wouldn't consider an enthusiast. The rest of the ones I know of in the PNW are owned by enthusiasts as well. It's rare I ever see one I don't already know about.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875041 posted 02/17/10 02:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting raptorreed:

Not that rare I would say. plenty of them in Aussie land,





Actually we only got 300 over here in Total.
So compared to you guys mine is much Rarer!!
There are quite a few grey market imports direct from Japan though.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875046 posted 02/17/10 03:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There is six GVR-4's that I know of in Scandinavia. Two gulf spec GVR-4's in Sweden, mine and one in Gothenburg. One JDM GVR-4 in Norway. One US GVR-4 in Denmark. Two GVR-4's in Finland (one gulf spec and one JDM spec). Well, at least they are rare in Scandinavia

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875049 posted 02/17/10 03:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting NateCrisman:

Quoting Ian M:

GVR4s are "rare" but not really desireable. A Diesel Chevette is also "rare",but I doubt anyone would give you scrap value for one.

A while back I counted almost 30 in a 25mile or so radius from here,there are a few around that I don't know the owners of,and I've seen a few on the road in the past year or so I wasn't aware of. I couldn't tell you if those folks knew what they were driving,or even cared.In fact,coming home from work I saw a white one with an aftermarket exhaust on Rt9 in Charles Town WV a couple weeks ago I've never seen before.

It seems most import savvy around here knows what a GVR4 is.





Exactly my point: Yes it's "rare" by a numerical standpoint that there are maybe 1300-1500 of them still running around. Rarity can mean diddly squat for collect-ability and value. I just don't feel the # left matters worth a hill of beans.





Guys, try exporting USDM VR4s to europe for example and you will see how rare and valued they are (only the nice ones though, but thats like that with any collector car)...
Try to think globally, not just the US. You DO realise that there are only 3000 in the WORLD? Now how many billion registered cars is that?

The only way we can get these cars to be desireable and to hold value is to keep the good ones in good shape, and to totally restore the shitty ones. STOCK, no stupid "evo like" hoods and scoops and all this ricer shit.
Keep the original parts, original radios, interior pieces etc, so when the time comes and these cars will be oldtimers, you can totally return yours to stock.
I know its easier said than done, but thats the only way.

ok, Im done. flame-on!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875050 posted 02/17/10 04:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Try to think globally, not just the US. You DO realise that there are only 3000 in the WORLD?




er, + ~25,000 JDM VR4 + ~2800 JDM E38A VR4 RS + ~1100 JDM ZR4 + 300 Aussie VR4 + however many euro ones.

I think I've probably driven more vr4's than many of you have even seen in the flesh/metal/whatever.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875157 posted 02/17/10 02:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^umm, thats cool, but they arent limited and numbered. I personally think JDM VR4s are much better than the usdm ones, BUT they arent numbered, they wont be that special in the future. Sure some nice, perfect condition VR4 RS's or monte carlos or even regular full option JDM VR4s will be worth something, but the fact that the usdm VR4s are numbered, and the only official left hand drive with special options like lether etc, will be the ones to hold value amongst car collectors in the futur.



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Edited by GIjoe (02/18/10 10:23 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875216 posted 02/17/10 06:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

Of the probably ten or so I know of locally, only one is owned by somebody I wouldn't consider an enthusiast. The rest of the ones I know of in the PNW are owned by enthusiasts as well. It's rare I ever see one I don't already know about.




Last time I counted, there were 10 or 11 here in the Phoenix area. I've met every owner (although one refused to own up to it, she probably thought I was a stalker). At one point, my friend Keith and I represented five, but he sold one.

Since I've been reaching out to Mitsubishi owners around the world for Gearbox Magazine, I've found myself a little self-conscious about mentioning badge number. When you think about how many of these cars were made back in the day on a global scale, it kind of makes the badge numbers here in the States seem kind cheesy. I use the numbers because it's a fun way to keep track of them here.

FIA WRC Group A homologation required a minimum of 5000 specimens to be sold each year, so figure - at a minimum - Mitsubishi had to make at least 25,000. They likely made more of them.

I'll play the rarity game because, well, relatively speaking, these cars aren't exactly common, but more of the value - to me anyway - comes from the fact these cars only exist because Mitsubishi wanted to race them in FIA sanctioned rally events. Someone here has a lead on FIA homologation papers for the Galant VR4 Evolution (which I desperately want to see) and, given the rules at the time, it's plausible that they actually existed. Now *that* would be a rare car.

Now that I think about it, "Evolution" was reserved for a special, very limited number of race trim models, limited to something like 500 per year. It's almost a shame to think that "Evolution" on all the Evos out there since, say, Evo II or III are pretty much a marketing gimmick and have nothing to do with actual Evolution status.

Take care of your GVR4s. Maintain them and keep them looking their best. The numbers will never increase. The trend is downward and, although you can probably find 5-7 in the US at any given moment for sale, it won't be that way forever.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875218 posted 02/17/10 07:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Someone has a lead on the homologation papers? They're hosted here. Click the library link up top.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875235 posted 02/17/10 08:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DR1665:

Someone here has a lead on FIA homologation papers for the Galant VR4 Evolution (which I desperately want to see) and, given the rules at the time, it's plausible that they actually existed. Now *that* would be a rare car.

Now that I think about it, "Evolution" was reserved for a special, very limited number of race trim models, limited to something like 500 per year. It's almost a shame to think that "Evolution" on all the Evos out there since, say, Evo II or III are pretty much a marketing gimmick and have nothing to do with actual Evolution status.





Actually the evolution ruling was never allowed in GroupA, have a look at the homologation papers (they're on this forum somewhere) - the only evolution mentioned is "normal evolution of the type" rather than "sporting evolution of the type", it refers to the late '89 'face lifting' of the car (for which another full run of 5000 was required) and then another later 'face lifting' to vr4 evolution spec (another 5000 of which had to be built).

According to the papers there were at least 5097 vr4 evolutions built, so they're less rare than the US spec vr4's, however, I'd far rather have one of them than a US vr4 - to me the 'ultimate' version of the car is worth much more than a numbered badge...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875285 posted 02/17/10 10:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
rare? we have 2 street legal GVR4's here in sweden. mine and mr. wolfys.
i wanna import a 2nd GVR4, but lack the garage space...
there are alot of galant GSX tho. E38 NT.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875290 posted 02/17/10 10:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The VR-4 is something you don't see everyday and I drive for a living. Even when I had a WRX I felt a little envious when I saw a VR-4. The VR-4's street status is iconic because they are the few.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875293 posted 02/17/10 10:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting GIjoe:

^umm, thats cool, but they arent limited and numbered. I personally thing JDM VR4s are much better than the usdm ones, BUT they arent numbered, they wont be that special in the future. Sure some nice, perfect condition VR4 RS or monte carlos or even regular full option JDM VR4s will be worth something, but the fact that the usdm VR4s are numbered, and the only official left hand drive with special options like lether etc, will be the ones to hold value amongst car collectors in the futur.




Each to their own.. I would far prefer a Evolution, Monte Carlo or RS JDM VR-4 over an Aus spec or US spec VR-4 - the number means nothing to me, why sacrifice most of the good things in a VR-4 for a number?

Go find a factory original US VR-4 with 510cc injectors, bigger intercooler (bigger than standard JDM type), larger intercooler piping, 4 bolt LSD rear end, higher flowing rear muffler, rear wiper, monsoon shields, dash pop up box, digital climate control air conditioning, close ratio gearbox etc etc list goes on.. that a FACTORY JDM Evolution VR-4 has.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875295 posted 02/17/10 11:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DR1665:

Quoting turbowop:

Of the probably ten or so I know of locally, only one is owned by somebody I wouldn't consider an enthusiast. The rest of the ones I know of in the PNW are owned by enthusiasts as well. It's rare I ever see one I don't already know about.




Last time I counted, there were 10 or 11 here in the Phoenix area. I've met every owner (although one refused to own up to it, she probably thought I was a stalker). At one point, my friend Keith and I represented five, but he sold one.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 875297 posted 02/17/10 11:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting GIjoe:

I personally thing JDM VR4s are much better than the usdm ones, BUT they arent numbered, they wont be that special in the future.




Every JDM car is numbered! These ones start at E39A-0000001 and go up in sequence, it's stamped into the firewall so people can't steal the badges

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