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91 galant vr4 wont start, wont even crank, just clicks someone help


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970508 posted 02/17/11 10:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok so i bought it with a dead battery, jumped it and drove the car home last night, parked it and now this morning it wont start, the interior lights come on but when i try to start it just clicks, tried jumping it off my other car still does nothing, oh and theres 3 lights on for the turbo, is there somekind of security thats been activated or somthing, any ideas anyone

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970510 posted 02/17/11 10:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Try tapping your starter with a hammer or just repeat turning the key. Ive had this problem with most of my dsm's and my galant. Fixed it with a simple push button starter.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970511 posted 02/17/11 10:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Another thing to consider, you mention you jumped it and started it the first time. Your starter is probably fine. it sounds like your battery doesn't have enough Amps to turn the starter over. Voltage is one thing, Amps are a totally different situation. I would bet that you have 12 volts, but the age of the battery may have caused it to drastically lose the stored charge.
You said you tried jumping it again and nothing. Did you have someone in the other car giving it some gas to ensure adequate power flow to the dead car for like 5 mins before hand to build power up.

You could also have a secondary problem, your alternator may not be putting out enough to adequately charge the battery.
I would take the battery and have it load tested.


Edited by chrisfullwood (02/17/11 10:46 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970524 posted 02/17/11 11:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
When I put the terminals back on the battery I get a clicking in the fuse box in the engine bay and then it goes away after a while is that normal

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970530 posted 02/17/11 11:56 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yes, that is the various relays being energized.
it would be abnormal if it didn't happen.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970535 posted 02/17/11 12:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanx for the help chris, I think my sparkplugs got wet, when I bought the car yesterday there was some liquid on the top of the motor that like an iddiot I didn't clean off, the car was sittin for a year prior to me driving it yesterday so I'm gonna replace them and see what happens

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970548 posted 02/17/11 12:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would advise you replace them, yes, but i doubt seriously that would cause the car to not crank over. in the order of things, getting power to the starter happens way before getting spark to the plugs. Not enough power to turn the flywheel. You have to start as far up the chain as you can to isolate issues. If the car would start, and ran like crap, then i would say yes, plugs (but as i said, wise to replace anyway) but im pretty sure you have a battery issue here.

Usually when a starter goes out, you get a single click. (in my experience) meaning the solenoid valve has gone out, you can bypass this by taking a jumper cable from the positive terminal on the battery, and put it on the S terminal of the solenoid. If the car starts now, its the solenoid thats gone bad (just easier to replace the whole starter) a series of clicks usually indicates there is enough power to extend the plunger and cog to engage the flywheel, but not enough to turn it.

start with battery, look at your battery terminals, possibly alternator. And check your cables for corrosion. I wouldnt waste time right now on plugs if your goal is to get the car running again.

just my 0.02 worth, of course its your car, your choice.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970640 posted 02/17/11 07:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok so I got the battery charged its good and still nothing I guess its the starter

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970655 posted 02/17/11 07:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Mine did this and it was the connection to the starter, the nut wiggled loose. You might want to check that.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970656 posted 02/17/11 07:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Check the connections at the T-stat houseing (waterneck).make sure all of them have proper connections. esp. the dual tab plug in the direct front.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970684 posted 02/17/11 09:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
dude i've never had this type of car, i've had this car for 2 days and i dont even know where the starter is on this thing, the crazy thing about the whole thing is when i put the terminals back on the battery the tailights and the lights on the dash start going on and off, it has somekind of audiovox alarm box underneath the left side of the steering wheel i dunno if this is causing the car not to start. After that stops when i try to start i hear a click in the front right side of the car and i guess the fuel pump engaging in the back. im effin lost

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970689 posted 02/17/11 09:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just saw this thread, following your double post into a new thread, so I will copy over what was there.

I would ask if you have any key fobs that operate said alarm system (Audiovox) as you mentioned was installed?

I am thinking that the alarm is cutting power to your starter circuit, because that is all it is designed to do.

Next order of business, assuming no fobs to stop the alarm, is to remove the alarm system and keep a record of all the wires that were cut to tap into the systems.
There may be one wire you can reattach, but it may need a small length depending upon how much was removed when it was spliced into, and there will be other wires that no doubt were stripped back and tapped into and possibly soldered/grafted into. Cutting those soldered portions out is not hard, but make sure you clean everything up, and either tape it really well, or do a very good job reconnecting all the affected wiring.

I an confident that once you get that box out of there, it will be better possible to know if anything is wrong with the car as it sits.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970695 posted 02/17/11 10:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
same thing happens when trying to start the car without pressing in the clutch. can it be a safety switch behind the clutch pedal, i read someone was talkin about that in the newbie section

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970696 posted 02/17/11 10:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, if the clutch input switch is not getting a proper connection or being contacted by the pedal so it does switch, then that could be why the starter function is locked out too.

You have two options to explore, but I suspect the easiest to perform is the clutch switch to see if the switch and the nut that may hold it, are actually adjusted properly.

After that, check out removal of the alarm box and start fresh - it has no place being there if you cannot control it and are accidentally setting it off.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970743 posted 02/18/11 01:52 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^this. If the lights are flashing it's probably the alarm. The car came from factory with an alarm so if, say, you open the trunk from the outside without unlocking the door first, the lights will flash and you may not be able to start the car. It's happened to me before.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970828 posted 02/18/11 12:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The lights on my car flash more than three times if I dont unlock the alarm. They flash twice after I use the remote to unlock it. Then, it will start.
Did you get a alarm remote key chain thing? It may not work, you may have to change the small battery in it...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970863 posted 02/18/11 03:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I didn't get a remote key chain, there's and on and off toggle switch that someone installed but that does nothing but turn off the little red light on it

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970869 posted 02/18/11 04:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Oh n here's somthin someone just told me since the radio has been taken out of the car that's y its not starting, anyone have any idea about this, is this true

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970879 posted 02/18/11 05:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok pulled the alarm out, pulled the radio fuse out, still nothing, next is actually testing the damn starter off the positive of the battery

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970910 posted 02/18/11 07:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The starter should have a direct power cable from the battery already.
Check all your fuse's. On the battery esp.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970917 posted 02/18/11 07:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
could also be the little connector on the starter sometimes that doesnt make a good contact it happends to me sometimes



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970925 posted 02/18/11 08:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
How do I get to the starter, top or bottom of motor?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970937 posted 02/18/11 09:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would get out my multimeter and verify battery voltage and compair it to the starter trigger wire while having someone turning the key. If you see voltage at that wire matching your battery voltage or very close then you know you need a starter. If not, then you have either a bad battery, cable, or your alarm is the culprit. Try googleing the model number and Find an installation guide and see if you can bypass the wires for the anti start feature.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970939 posted 02/18/11 09:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      


On the passenger side unibody section in front of the strut are a few mission critical harness connectors. They are somewhat hidden by the airflow meter and other stuff, so they're hard to see.

Circled in red, the rectangular connector is the power distribution connector for the car.

Circled in yellow, the triangular connector is the connection down to the starter solenoid.



If they are both plugged in, and the car won't crank, (as in rotate when you have the key in the start position) unplug the starter harness and check for power at the car side of the harness while the key is in the start postion. (you're checking the black with yellow stripe wire)



If there's nobody home on the car side of the starter solenoid harness, unplug the clutch down switch and try again. The switches go bad, and the little yellow plastic button that depresses it also gets broken. This will prevent the starter from operating. Unplugging the switch opens the interlock circuit, and will allow the starter to operate any time the key is in the start position.

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found this old post

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If you want a quick go/no go test, jumping positive battery voltage onto the mate of this ^^^connector^^^ is the easiest way to "jump" the system. Note it's position in the connector, and jump the mate to this connector using an alligator clip on the end of a wire. **I would be leary of doing this, as the current required to pull the starter solenoid in to actuate the starter motor is pretty large, and you may damage the pin in the connector. (once would probably be okay, but I wouldn't make a habit of it)


The hard way to "jump" things is to unplug that wire at the starter, then plug another wire onto the small connector, and then touch that to the positive terminal on the battery.

If you're feeling froggy, you can also just short accross from the positive starter feed wire from the battery to the small terminal with a small screwdriver, but there's gonna be sparks!

Make absolutely sure the car is in neutral before doing this!!!



Here's a pic of the whole starter sub-harness to give you an idea of what you're working with.

Good luck!



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Edited by toybreaker (02/18/11 09:56 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 970989 posted 02/19/11 09:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Thankyou everybody, for all the great help, so it turned out to be an unplugged wire, got it running, happy as hell, thankyou everybody

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