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Terry Posten
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950902 posted 11/19/10 10:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
For those of you that have solid motor mounts, removed balance shafts, and big cams, you know this problem all to well.

Way to many rattles.

After spending a ton of time finding the rattles, some are very hard to fix.

The one that has me stumped is the ignition key.

I have a brand new key cut with the code and the key vibrates inside the cylinder. If you touch it, the rattle goes away.

My thought is trying that liquid rubber coating that you can buy for coating screw driver shafts and pliers handles to cover just the shaft of the key after the cut area. Just a thin coating so that it has a snug fit just as the key is inserted all the way in.

What do you guys think? Would it stay on?

Does anybody have a bottle of the coating material I could try some test keys in?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950904 posted 11/19/10 10:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Something like this stuff.

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Only costs $10 shipped on fleabay.

You can even get it in aerosol spray cans.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950936 posted 11/19/10 11:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can you magnetize it?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950944 posted 11/20/10 12:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I wouldn't use that, unless you just put it up at the top 1/4" or so,, getting it onto the teeth, then having pieces get stuck in the cylinder would suck. What about just coating the key faces in something like fingernail polish. It is probably thick enough to work, and pretty hard when dry. I'll try one now and let you know.



*waiting for the polish to dry, I thought of an easier method:




This is just foam insulation, but if you used some thick rubber, cut it to fit nicely,, you would never need to remove it and it does make the key solid in the hole.



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Edited by 14u2nV (11/20/10 12:37 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950957 posted 11/20/10 01:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have 2 pieces of stainless steel about 8 inches long tig welded down the middle. Chris had to show off his skills to me so I chucked it up in the mill and made a keychain. A pound of stainless will keep it from rattling but is hell on your knee caps



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950961 posted 11/20/10 01:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Remove the plastic end from the top of the key replace with a shorty screw driver head problem solved


Now just tell me how to stop my shifter from vibrating while I am driving.
A little finger pressure forward or backwards and its fine by itself vrrrrr
between that and the hood rattling drives me nuts need to try that hood fix in
the how to section I guess...


Edited by Blown1 (11/20/10 01:51 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950967 posted 11/20/10 02:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just get used to the rattles. Considering how harsh the suspension is, and how much the car vibrates from the cams, poly motor mounts, removal of balance shafts, and worst...the twin disk clutch, I figure it's just something extra to deal with as a trade off for better performance. While it's most noticeable at idle, everything seems to smooth out as the car gains speed. Feels like butter at freeway speeds.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950984 posted 11/20/10 06:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Those rattles drive me crazy. I've solved most of them. There are still 2 that needs to get resolved, one is the hood & the other the front doors. The hook on the jam had some sort of hardened plastic cover on it @ some point but that's now all gone.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 950988 posted 11/20/10 06:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
its 5.99 at Home depot, Its Plastidip. not a bad product at all.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951094 posted 11/20/10 03:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Actually, I did have a rattling hood hinge that drove me up the wall. I fixed that with a new one. None of the other rattles in my car even come close to how annoying that was, which is why I say I don't bother with them. If you have anything like that though, I don't blame you for wanting to fix them.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951114 posted 11/20/10 04:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I like all the rattling and noises my car makes. Its like I'm driving a race car



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951178 posted 11/20/10 09:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Between the stereo and the exhaust, I don't hear any rattles



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951275 posted 11/21/10 10:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I finally switched out the timing side poly mount for a new oem one. All the other mounts are poly, but just changing that one made a huge difference.

I couldn't take the rattleing anymore, when there was one I couldn't track down it turned out to be the key in the cylinder. I also had the hood rattle thing going, beyond annoying but changing that one mount took care of it.



Chris Mclean


Edited by christo (11/21/10 10:11 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951281 posted 11/21/10 11:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Blown1:

Remove the plastic end from the top of the key replace with a shorty screw driver head problem solved






Can you get me a couple of those? I'll gladly pay shipping!



Getting old sucks ... but it sure beats the alternative !!!


Edited by cheekychimp (11/21/10 11:07 AM)

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JNR
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 951342 posted 11/21/10 03:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
How worn is your ignition (tumblers)? Many people put so many keys and other things on their keyrings (weight dangling), it ends up prematurely wearing the ignition over time. Also, being they are generally brass, it compounds this problem and I would think it's 'loose' (tolerance) to begin with.

I would start with a new ignition and, if these are anything like others, you should be able to 'customize' the tumblers to fit your existing key, if that makes sense.


Edited by JNR (11/21/10 03:43 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952651 posted 11/25/10 09:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 14u2nV:

I wouldn't use that, unless you just put it up at the top 1/4" or so,, getting it onto the teeth, then having pieces get stuck in the cylinder would suck. What about just coating the key faces in something like fingernail polish. It is probably thick enough to work, and pretty hard when dry. I'll try one now and let you know.



*waiting for the polish to dry, I thought of an easier method:




This is just foam insulation, but if you used some thick rubber, cut it to fit nicely,, you would never need to remove it and it does make the key solid in the hole.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952654 posted 11/25/10 09:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I like "14u2nv ideal. Don't use a rubber coating on your key that will cause problem with the key tumbler go with the foam or see I u can find a nice key chain with some weight to it that might help but don't get crazy with the weight cuz that can also wear out the key tumbler out!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952659 posted 11/25/10 09:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Terry Posten:

to cover just the shaft of the key after the cut area.




I was not talking about the whole key.

Basically doing the same as the "foam" idea above but something that would look a lot better and not fall off like the foam.

I only use the key without any ring because the fobs/rings rattle even more.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952662 posted 11/25/10 10:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ok I see what you are saying. Now how about not putting anything on the key maybe put like a rubber, or like a stiffer type of foam on the on the tumbler it's self and cut out the slot where the key hoes in?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952674 posted 11/26/10 12:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I tried one of the injector orings, and it fits tight, and looks good. It's just a little to small to reach though. The foam looks bad, but if you used something like a thick washer or such, you could make it look good.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 952990 posted 11/27/10 07:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting cheekychimp:

Quoting Blown1:

Remove the plastic end from the top of the key replace with a shorty screw driver head problem solved






Can you get me a couple of those? I'll gladly pay shipping!



Are you serious? just contact these guys they have all the nice ones includung matching shift knobs if you really want snap on usa heads let me know lol

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Edited by Blown1 (11/27/10 08:06 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 953782 posted 11/30/10 04:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Make it a push button start without a key.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 953924 posted 11/30/10 09:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Garfield Wright:

Those rattles drive me crazy. I've solved most of them. There are still 2 that needs to get resolved, one is the hood & the other the front doors. The hook on the jam had some sort of hardened plastic cover on it @ some point but that's now all gone.




For the hood, I used a piece of radiator hose cut and folded and shoved by the drivers side hinge. That fixed the cabin noise of it creaking. Didnt have it with the carbon hood though.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 954035 posted 12/01/10 10:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Do you have a heavy keychain with a ton of keys etc? Try just the key and nothing else, maybe?

Felt tape on all the plastic panels - Thats what Infiniti recommended for every rattle in their TSB's. They even sold it for the parts that vibrated - dash, doors, center console, instrumentation etc - It was some 3M tape. It was ridiculous how many rattles the G35 had. I sold the car for almost that reason - no luxury car should be a rattle can.



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