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13" brake kit install with pictures


Luke
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443683 posted 02/13/07 10:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Puny stock 11" brake setup.



Note the routing of the stock brakeline setup, which we will follow with the new stainless steel brakeline.
Clean and PB blast the fittings before removal.



Remove the stock caliper and brakeline.
Then, separate out the brakeline bracket that bolts on to the strut. This bracket will be reused.





Remove the stock rotor





13" cobra rotor versus 11" stock rotor.
I redrilled the 13" rotor to 4-lug setup.



Put anti-seize on the rotor mating surface, and bolt on the bracket.
I used anti-seize on the bolts, and torqued to 55 lb.ft.
A slight amount of grinding on the bracket might be needed. ( Strangely, I didn't need to grind when installing the bracket on the passenger side knuckle, but grinding was needed on the driver side. )



Attach the rotor with the centering ring.
You now have a choice of removing the splash shield. I chose to keep it.
If you keep the splash shield, slightly bend it out of the way to avoid rubbing on the larger diameter rotor.



Clearance the caliper where it mounts to the bracket. Just try to bolt-on the caliper, and clearance as needed.
Also, the fins on the caliper is hitting my 17" wheels, so I had to unleash my die grinder on the offending fins.
You can say that I run a "ported" caliper setup





Finally, bolt the caliper onto the bracket.
I used loctite on it, and torqued to 65 lb.ft.



Use some hose and zip ties to secure the civic brake lines to the brakeline bracket, as such.
( Bonus point if you can line it up so that it says "Made in USA" as mine does )



Attach the brakeline to the caliper and to the car as such.
I was able to reuse the stock U-clip to the bracket on the inner fender with very slight grinding of the new brakeline fitting. ( However, on the passenger side fitting, I didn't need to do any grinding to fit, so YMMV )



Closer look at the brakeline setup. Basically, it mimics the stock routing.



All done:




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Edited by Luke (02/13/07 11:14 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443694 posted 02/13/07 11:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
very nice. you should include a list of parts and numbers if you have them. as well as estimate of total cost. looks good!!!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443695 posted 02/13/07 11:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
total weight of setup?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443742 posted 02/14/07 01:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
very nice!
is that with the brackets from Ron?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443749 posted 02/14/07 04:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
How does the pedal feel in compare to the stock one?



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Edited by Boostx (02/14/07 06:59 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443757 posted 02/14/07 06:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice work. x2 on cost and where to get the bracket from.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443777 posted 02/14/07 07:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
this should be moved to how to

great write up...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443804 posted 02/14/07 08:34 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Would love to get info on that bracket.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443807 posted 02/14/07 08:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Did you get the bracket from Ron, or make it yourself?

Looks good and nice to have choices for large brakes, rather than overpriced (imo) Baer and others' setups!

btw, I'm sure it's been discussed, but are the Cobra's lug pattern the same as DSM 5-bolt (for swapped setups)? And, what years brakes work?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443809 posted 02/14/07 08:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes mustang brake patern is 5x4.50 which is 5x114.3

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443813 posted 02/14/07 08:58 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

very nice!
is that with the brackets from Ron?




Yes, this bracket is from ron.

The cost of this setup varies lot depending on how well you source the parts.
I bought everything brand new, but the calipers.

My total cost was $415.

This includes paying big $$$ to a machine shop for redrilling the rotors. ( don't ask me why I have the balls to do engine internals work, but not to redrill rotors )

This does not include a large can of unopened performance synthetic brake fluid. ( don't use brake fluid that has been sitting out, because brake fluid absords moisture from the air. )
You will need quite a bit of brake fluid to get all the air out from those empty calipers.

I would say that with a more careful part selection (i.e. cheap DSM-er way ) and more of your working time, this cost can be brought down to about $300.


Edited by Luke (02/28/07 09:28 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 443815 posted 02/14/07 09:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

this should be moved to how to

great write up...




I second this, please move to how to section !!



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Edited by Luke (02/14/07 10:01 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444010 posted 02/14/07 04:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
From my mustang days the cobra 5 lug and all wheel disk break set-up was around 1000 from the ford motorsport catalog then we discovered that the PBR brand calipers from the corvettes we're the same thing ecept didn't have corvette embossed. This brought the cost down 50%

A friend of mine has the bigger rotors from a ford contour svt for his Merkur and got them for dirt nothing from ford. I'll see if I can get the size from him and a price I know there factory crossdrilled and less than 100 for both. This might be a usable thing with a little home work.


Anyway like the port work and the mod looks way cool. Now get back there on the rears with the factory fronts.



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Luke
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444101 posted 02/14/07 08:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
>> I know there factory crossdrilled

FYI, if you're road-racing, do not cross drill the rotors.
It is not as strong as the non-drilled ones, and the cross-drilled ones will crack at where the holes are.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444165 posted 02/14/07 11:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Great write up Luke. Now who wants the last set of brackets?

I have seen some drilled rotors develop small cracks but I haven't seen them fall apart. Real road racers that I know, change their pads and rotors too often anyways so they seldom fall apart on them. Oh, I don't know about those cheap ebay special cross drilled rotors.

Ron


Edited by ron (02/15/07 12:48 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 444212 posted 02/15/07 06:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

>> I know there factory crossdrilled

FYI, if you're road-racing, do not cross drill the rotors.
It is not as strong as the non-drilled ones, and the cross-drilled ones will crack at where the holes are.




it's okay to used crossdrilled rotors for road racing (people do it all the time), but you have to inspect them after each event and replace them when they show signs of cracking.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 445507 posted 02/28/07 08:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Got dibs on the Last Brackets. I'll stop by your shop Ron tomorrow and pick them up if that's cool?



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Luke
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 467851 posted 04/22/07 04:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Posting some updates here..

The piston size of the camaro calipers move the brake balance too much to the fronts.
So, I researched, and found that you can simply swap the camaro calipers with the corvette ones.

Corvette calipers have smaller pistons, and make the brake balance much closer to the stock setup.
In addition, the smaller pistons and stiffer corvette calipers give you much better pedal feel.

Here you go:








Edited by Luke (04/22/07 05:46 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 467915 posted 04/22/07 07:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I thought that might be the case but I've had no problems with the fronts locking up prematurely. What year 'Vette are they off of? I've got a hookup on 'Vette parts and could probably get a set for free.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 467919 posted 04/22/07 07:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Any C5 vette. It is the 2001 model. Not sure what year it starts and ends though.

Even the Z06 one would work.
The only difference between non-Z06 and Z06 calipers is the color.

Here are the piston sizes:
Stock caliper piston size is 41.3 mm
Camaro/LS1 caliper's is 45mm
C5 corvette's is 38mm
All of them are dual piston calipers.



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Edited by Luke (04/22/07 08:46 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 468494 posted 04/23/07 10:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What model year Civic brake lines are those?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 468543 posted 04/23/07 11:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i agree with the lock up of the fronts.
i am using this setup and if i break hard, the fronts will lock up causing the rear of the car to want to slide past the front.. (not good!!)

im trying to find something for the rears (larger rotors / calipers) with a provision for a cable handbrake...

there is one issue with this setup that i am not happy about,
its the fact that the rotor is not centred via the centre of the hub but rather the lugs..

if we could get a ring of some sort to seat the rotor perfectly in the centre of the hub, that would be great.. anybody up for machining some up?? RON??

apart from that, im my experience the brake feel is a little spongy, not as good as the stock feel, but im not sure if its caused by air in the lines.. i'll have to re-bleed it and see..

as for weight of the setup, the calipers are alloy and are much lighter than the stock vr4 brakes... BUT the rotor quickly evens things up... 17" rims minimum!! so say goodbye to the sleeper look...

overall, I am happy with the setup, will try to improve things with it soon.. I've already got a rear caliper in mind (FORD FALCON SINGLE POT REARS, WITH CABLE HANDBRAKE)..
cheap too!!



Edited by bazeng (04/23/07 11:33 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 468556 posted 04/23/07 11:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
bazeng: If you look at the picture I posted, Ron does provide a centering ring to center the rotor on the hub. I would not drive a car with the rotor centered on the wheel studs.

The brake feels a little spongy, because the camaro calipers have larger pistons than the stock calipers.
The larger pistons on the caliper means that you need to move the brake pedal more to move the pad the same distance closer to the rotor.

If you ever figure out how to install the rear caliper upgrade you mentioned, please post a howto.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 468560 posted 04/23/07 11:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The stainless-steel braided brake lines are from 1992-1995 civic, front lines.
I bought mine from fastbrakes.com



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 468585 posted 04/24/07 12:14 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
RON!! I need those rings!!

I'll PM you...



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