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"Home Made" Big Brake Kit


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352409 posted 06/22/06 08:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just finished installing the "kit" that ron makes. He sells adapter brackets and centering rings to fit 2000'ish Cobra 13" front rotors and 1998'ish Camaro front calipers on our cars. If you want to keep 4 lug you can by drilling 3 new holes in the rotor hats which was suprisingly easy. Unfortunately the calipers didn't fit under my old wheels so I went to 5 lug with 2004 Acura TL wheels. It was a pretty straight foward install and the only difficult part was figuring out what to do about the brake lines. I ended up getting a 9 inch long #3AN hose from BCS and a pair of adapters from Earl's. The line from the strut to the caliper is replaced by the one I just made. I got the calipers from a junkyard for like $60 shipped for the pair, cleaned them, rebuilt them, and painted them. BTW they are 2 piston aluminum calipers. Pedal feel is outstanding (just as it was before) but now I KNOW the car can back up its power with some serious braking too. Just a little peace of mind I guess. Here's a couple of pics:











I was suprised how well the wheels fit given they are 17x8 and have a -45mm offset. The fronts fit better than Evo8 wheels since the don't stick out at all and even "tuck" under a little bit. The rears are VERY close to the lower control arm that goes up towards the front but they haven't rubbed at all. Anyway, just another possibility for wheels, tires, and brakes. I saw a set of these wheels go for around $300 shipped on ebay the other day. The only drawback is that they are about 23lbs each.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352417 posted 06/22/06 09:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
WOW I really like thoes wheels. They look clean on the VR4. The brakes look great as well.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352421 posted 06/22/06 09:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What are you going to do for the rears?
How does the balance go front to rear?
I know, I'll do a search on this kit/recipe for details.

I've been tinkering with my brakes and I just frown every time I look at the non-vented tiny rotors in the rear. Our cars could use front AND rear upgrading!

Looks sweet, though!

-PJ



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352422 posted 06/22/06 09:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That looks great John. Guess i'll have to invest in a set of these now...




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352488 posted 06/23/06 07:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Bling Bling.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352489 posted 06/23/06 07:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks! PJ, I don't know what the bias is but I don't notice anything weird going on when braking and it has to be an improvement over the stock fronts. In the rear I just bought a set of cheap, parts store DSM rotors and a set of Raybestos pads. I'd like to upgrade the rear but there isn't a lot of choices for it. AEM used to make a big brake kit for the rear of DSM's but they stopped. I'm going to need new rear calipers soon but I want to explore my options before I buy stock replacements. I'm going to start keeping an eye on ebay for an AEM rear set up. If anyone has suggestions for a rear upgrade I'd love to hear them.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352490 posted 06/23/06 07:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Bling Bling.




+1 Looks awesome. Are you planning on keeping the TL wheels plain or painting them?



I know it's a foreign idea for most of us here, but you might want to try taking the car off jackstands.
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352492 posted 06/23/06 07:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm gonna leave them alone for now. They are heavy so I don't want to invest any money into them by powdercoating them and I don't want to spray paint them since they are pretty expensive wheels. I am considering having them polished, you guys can hate on the bling all you want but I think it'd look good with them polished by a real pro who knows how to make them really bling.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352495 posted 06/23/06 08:03 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Brush off the haters John.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352499 posted 06/23/06 08:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Baby on Board.

What is the weight difference in total, for just the brake setup? Or did I miss it?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352500 posted 06/23/06 08:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I meant to bring the Cobra rotors to FedEx and weigh them when I checked the weight of a wheel but I forgot. I'd bet its pretty close to breaking even since the aluminum calipers weigh nothing compared to the cast iron GVR4 ones but the Cobra rotors are considerably heavier. Oh, and I was trying to get the "Baby on Board" in the same frame with the two "Class Winner" stickers from Englishtown but it didn't work.

John



John



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Edited by atc250r (06/23/06 08:15 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352512 posted 06/23/06 08:54 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
nice john ,,
whats the big deal with the weight difference , i would add weight to be able to stop much better , its the same as the Baer Brakes Claw Systems but much cheaper
when i put the Baer Brakes Claw Systems on the GN all i can say is dammmmmm


t wonder what rotor they user for The Baer Claw® TRACK-PLUS
the vette Two-piston aluminum calipers comes in 3 diffrent size


Edited by Boostx (06/23/06 09:00 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352517 posted 06/23/06 09:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The weight of the brakes parts doesn't bother me much, its the wheels being so damn heavy that kills me but they were free so I can deal with it.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352526 posted 06/23/06 09:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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AEM used to make a big brake kit for the rear of DSM's but they stopped. I'm going to need new rear calipers soon but I want to explore my options before I buy stock replacements. I'm going to start keeping an eye on ebay for an AEM rear set up. If anyone has suggestions for a rear upgrade I'd love to hear them.

John




John, on the other brake thread going on I mentioned that the old brake kits offered by AEM was sold off to Power Slot. The BBK kits that AEM offered were for the front only,the rear kits were for appearance only and did not have bigger calipers,only rotors. The kits for the front were also offered in a BBK with bigger calipers and also with adapters for the stock calipers too. You can still buy the rotors for use with stock calipers for both front & rear,the link posted below has the information.

Daryl

http://www.powerslot.com/pages/power_slot_plus.html

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352530 posted 06/23/06 09:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks Daryl. I don't see any oversize rear rotor kits on that site though. Am I just missing something?

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352534 posted 06/23/06 10:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
John I made a mistake on the rears but I think because the kits were only offered for the 2G cars by AEM. However the front kits can be made to work (of no use to you). I know someone that works at Power Slot,I'll call them and find out what the deal is on the rears to be sure. If I remember Baer has a bigger rotor rear kit for the 1G cars too.

Daryl


Edited by vr4underboost (06/23/06 10:10 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352536 posted 06/23/06 10:10 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'll have to find out what ron has in the back of his car then. I'm pretty sure he told me it was a kit that AEM used to make that used bigger rotors with a bracket and a stock caliper. I'd be happy with just moving the stock rear caliper out a little with a bracket to accomodate a larger rotor. It looks so empty in the rear wheels with those little rotors back there. If I still worked at Mitsu I could grab a rear 2G rotor and compare it to a 1G rear rotor. If the stock ones are close enough then I would think I could make the 2G rear rotor kit work.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352537 posted 06/23/06 10:22 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
2g and up brakes use the drum-type parking brake, so they are a lot deeper in design under the hat. I also don't recall them being larger diameter substantially.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352539 posted 06/23/06 10:39 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, I was hoping to figure out if I can use the 2G rear big rotor kit. Even if just the rotor would work I could definitely get brackets fabbed up.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352554 posted 06/23/06 11:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If anyone is interested, I've got a set of camaro calipers, and a set of C5 vette calipers as well.

I also have a huge selection of wheels, mostly late model.

PM me for details



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The GSX tails and spoiler free trunk really work. Looks nice John.

Also, although I know there is a lot of emphasis placed on lightweight wheels and the fact that pound for pound weight reductions in unsprung weight are far more important than pounds stripped off the chassis but I still don't think that heavier wheels are the end of the world.

My Compomotive wheels are listed as competition and motorsport wheels as well as road wheels and I think they weigh more than yours. I'm more concerned about strength to be honest especially with the roads around here.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352574 posted 06/23/06 12:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Wow, that's cool! I have 5-lug powerslot rotors all around right now, but I am definitely gonna consider this as a replacement for that!

I didn't read thru the whole thread, but did you have to do anything to the master cylinder, to compensate for the larger calipers, to get more fluid there (usually done with a larger rod), although it may not be an issue?

Now all you need to do is convert the vacuum system to a hydraulic system (runs from power steering pump) with a Hydro-boost setup. That'll put you thru the windshied (I am converting my Chevelle to this setup ('course, I don't just buy things, but sourcing this stuff myself ) and have the 'pump' that replaces the vacuum booster and the main reason I am going to that is my vacuum is low (10-12") from the cam...Still, I've read alot of good things on that and surprised it's not more well-known)

Regardless, congrats on the upgrade...Looks good!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352577 posted 06/23/06 12:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No changes to the master cylinder are needed since the piston sizes are almost identical to those of the stock ones.

I like the tail light/wingless combo a lot with these wheels.

John



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352585 posted 06/23/06 12:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think this thread should be moved to the how to section. Good Info.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 352619 posted 06/23/06 02:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
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No changes to the master cylinder are needed since the piston sizes are almost identical to those of the stock ones.

I like the tail light/wingless combo a lot with these wheels.

John




Nice job John. I think an m5 style lip wing would look hot.

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