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Re: Intake Manifold Shootout


autobahntom
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109949 posted 03/30/04 03:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Not to take this off topic too far, but if you don't have a set of GearWrench brand gear wrenches, you SHOULD get one. Get the reversable offset ones. I have a set of GearWrench brand, and two sets of BluePoint (Snap-On) and the GearWrench ones are not as bulky and fit into smaller areas. They making changing an intake sooooo easy. Can reach all the bolts no problem also. It does help that my a/c is off (I would recommend that for the day-just remove the compressor) . It took about five minutes to take the stock 1g intake manifold off (which did not go back on-a Magnus took it's place).
Tom

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109950 posted 03/30/04 03:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes that's an excellent point. I have the gear wrenches for the underside bolts. They are a life saver! I did it the first time without and I never want to be without them again. The car being tested already has a aftermarket manifold on it so "most" of the normal prep work is done (coil, power transistor, rail, wiring, etc).

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109951 posted 03/30/04 03:43 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Are you guys talkin about ratcheting wrenches?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109952 posted 03/30/04 03:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I sent a small donation last night, thanks again.
quote:
Originally posted by blacksheep:
I hope the Forrester wins [Big Grin]

LOL, Go Magnus!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109953 posted 03/30/04 03:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No ratcheting wrenches are from years ago, very big and cumbersome to work with. The GearWrench's are about the size of a regular wrench. Sears sells them, you can probably find a pic of them on their website.
These wrenches are really a Godsend for intake manifolds and two of the center bolts on the exhaust manifold (on our cars).
Tom

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109954 posted 03/30/04 06:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If I remember correctly, the GearWrench 8-wrench set is on sale this week for $40 or so--that's a steal! [Eek!] (Reg. price is only $50, which isn't bad either)

My only two gripes about them is the lip that keeps the bolt head or nut from passing through can either be a blessing or a curse (usually the latter), and the smaller sizes tend to "lock up" under relatively low torque loads--easily fixed by tapping the wrench against a hard surface, but annoying.

In fact, that brings up a tip for those that own them: make sure you use the open end to "crack" the bolt/nut loose first.

I'm going to assume you don't need my Cyclone unless you call me, Chris. [Smile] I would have offered my FRH, but that was one of the first manifolds you had.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109955 posted 03/31/04 08:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I do so hope that they get to test with a cyclone intake. My buddy use's one and i'm curious what the difference is from the stock 1g [Smile]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109956 posted 03/31/04 09:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by autobahntom:
No ratcheting wrenches are from years ago, very big and cumbersome to work with. The GearWrench's are about the size of a regular wrench. Sears sells them, you can probably find a pic of them on their website.
These wrenches are really a Godsend for intake manifolds and two of the center bolts on the exhaust manifold (on our cars).
Tom

These are what I meant by ratcheting wrenches, which I think you're also talking about since they're the same size as normal ones:
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If so I have some snap-on blue point ratcheting wrenches in 12mm and 14mm.. work great!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109957 posted 03/31/04 09:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yep, those were revolutionized by Gear Wrench, which came out a couple years back. Now everyone and their brother has their own version out. I have a set of the original ones that are flat and you have to flip over to go the opposite direction. Eventually, I'll get a set of the reversible ones, but it'll be to support, not replace the original set.

To be on topic, are you guys going to test a stock manifold with a phenolic spacer? I doubt it but I was just curious if that was on the agenda.

Mark

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109958 posted 03/31/04 10:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I believe we're only doing the phenolic spacer on the forrester.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109959 posted 04/01/04 05:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What size TB?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109960 posted 04/01/04 05:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by Kibo:

My only two gripes about them is the lip that keeps the bolt head or nut from passing through can either be a blessing or a curse (usually the latter), and the smaller sizes tend to "lock up" under relatively low torque loads--easily fixed by tapping the wrench against a hard surface, but annoying.

In fact, that brings up a tip for those that own them: make sure you use the open end to "crack" the bolt/nut loose first.


There are different models. I own 5-6 different sets of gearwrenches. You don't have to deal with the lip on all of them or at least you didn't. I bought my first set from the S&K tool man back in 99 I think.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109961 posted 04/01/04 08:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
stock 1g throttle body for all tests.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109962 posted 04/01/04 08:20 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can we make this a sticky?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109963 posted 04/01/04 10:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have two sets, the reversible and the flat ones.
Both sets have their own uses and they are great.
I always use the closed end to break stuff loose because I'm affraid if I use the open end, it might strip the bolt. Broke two of them with an extension but it was replaced by mailing them back to the manufacturer. The best place to buy it from is www.thetoolwarehouse.net
These guys are great, have quality tools, great to deal with and have better prices than Ebay. I'm going to get the stubby and the flex set soon.

Sorry for the offtopic, but you really need these tools for a job like that.

Go Forrester go.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109964 posted 04/01/04 01:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by number3:
There are different models. I own 5-6 different sets of gearwrenches. You don't have to deal with the lip on all of them or at least you didn't. I bought my first set from the S&K tool man back in 99 I think.

I've seen those as well (my friend has a set), but I searched high and low and couldn't find any reversible GearWrenches without the lip. It must have been only on the earlier sets. [Frown]

Go Forrester! [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109965 posted 04/02/04 10:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just don't put on the bottom bolts during all the swaps. There a pita and would save a bunch of time by not putting them on the stock and cyclone intakes. Also the phenolic spacer will give mixed results it should move the power band a few hundred rpm and help the hp because of the cooling effect that it helps with. Best of luck with all the wrenching.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109966 posted 04/02/04 10:46 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
we aren't testing phenolic spacers, only using the forrester one as Dale requested it be used since that's part of the engineering design.

I'll see about the bottom bolts and make sure it doesn't leak like that. It's pretty easy to get to most of the bottom bolts except on a stock setup.

Edit: BTW the forrester is on the car now in preparation since it's the biggest PITA so it will be first up tomorrow. Erik I do need that cyclone now so I hope you got my message [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109967 posted 04/02/04 07:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Looks like we're ready to go for tomorrow. My magnus is off the car and cleaned up, Dave's car is cleaned and ready, and I'm picking up the cyclone from Erik A. tonight. Thanks to everyone who sent donations. We'll be starting 10 am (MST) and I believe the forrester is up first. Should be an interesting day!

For the locals, remember this is closed to the public. Unless you've worked it out with Dave to be there, please stay home. This is in *no* way meant to offend or be exclusive. Its just going to be very very crazy and we aren't even unstrapping the car between runs to try and get done in a reasonable amount of time. We'll have data, info, pictures, video, the works. [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109968 posted 04/04/04 11:49 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Results? [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109969 posted 04/04/04 01:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I just got back home, I was very tired last night from 8 hours of wrenching on intake manifolds so we stayed at the inlaws place near the dyno. The results are interesting. I can't say anything until we match all the dyno, wideband and logs together but we'll try to get them out ASAP.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109970 posted 04/04/04 07:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm compiling the data and will probably finish it Monday evening.

As a way of saying thanks to those that made contributions, we will release the results to them first. We will then make the information available to everyone else two days later.

Hal

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109971 posted 04/06/04 07:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just a follow up.

Public release will be Thursday @ 9:00 am MST

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109972 posted 04/06/04 10:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Very nice. Thanks.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109973 posted 04/08/04 02:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Do we have a link yet? Not nagging, just really curious.

Mark

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