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1000 hp build for 100/2000


Iceman
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100/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158779 posted 02/06/14 11:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm beginning to build a motor I have laying around for my GVR4. Here are my thoughts... also aquariumopen for suggestions.

4G63t 2.3L stroker short block
Manley 9.0:1 (.040) 86mm pistons
Manley H-beam rods
clevite main and rod bearings
Eagle 100mm stroker crankshaft
The block is o-ringed and balance shafts removed with AMS balance shaft eliminator kit.
Kiggly racing main girdle
Crowley 288 cams
AEM Adjustable cam gears
Precision 6266 turbo

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Boostdtalon
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158781 posted 02/06/14 11:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Most of the build looks good, but I think you're turbo is going to fall flat of the numbers your wanting. From PTE's website, that turbo is only rated for 800hp.


Edited by Boostdtalon (02/06/14 11:19 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158782 posted 02/06/14 11:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Gonna need more then that to break 1000. I'd go with 10:1 CR personally. Carillo rods. And a super99 and you may get close to that. There's so many damn variables. Besides what are your goals? I hope you plan to build the drivetrain and dump a ton of money into regular maintance that should come first.



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Iceman
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158783 posted 02/06/14 11:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks. As soon as I can I'll post pictures of the build!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158784 posted 02/06/14 11:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
for that amount of power i would use hd pistons and some good rods the h beams will work but for how long.



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Iceman
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158785 posted 02/06/14 11:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
For some reason either my phone or something didn't allow me to send the other half of my original post.

There are several other mods that I've thought about installing. However, I can't seem to remember them at this time.
definitely going 2150cc FIC injectors
swapping to automatic using rvr trans and 3rd gen slap shift.

Thanks for the seggestions guys!

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thecman02
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580/1000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1158857 posted 02/07/14 02:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
click

A turbo more suitable for your goal.

I would go for a set of Carrillo I beams. Definitely the Wiesco HD pistons. I would look for an oem 2.4 crank or if you must have an aftermarket crank your going to want to send it out to be balanced. I haven't been impressed with the balance from Manley.

You'll want to add nitrous to your build too because I've seen people having a hell of time trying to get up on converter even with high dollar aftermarket converters.



580/1000
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Edited by thecman02 (02/07/14 02:40 PM)

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manikbastrd
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159083 posted 02/09/14 05:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Since you are gonna spend the money, I would look into the Borg Warner EFR turbos. The PTE's are notorious for bearing problems. Just my .02

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Carbon Fiber Cage
108/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159088 posted 02/09/14 06:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The PTE bearing problems are only the journal bearing cartridge IIRC. My ball bearing Precision has been holding up great.



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1892/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159094 posted 02/09/14 06:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Fuel to feed the beast. I wonder how much you'll need. Will 4 injectors be enough?

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biglady112
or what
359/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159106 posted 02/09/14 08:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Not enough fuel
Pistons are garbage
Rods are garbage
Turbo will only get the average person to about 60-65% of your goal
Most 1000hp 4G63's use multiple injectors
High compression is not needed. Another fad. If you run an alcohol based fuel is the only time you should need to go that high to reap the benefits.

Wiseco is also another garbage fad product. Not enough meat to really get crazy with things.

Stick with a 2.0L. Much simpler and more reliable to live a healthy life at that kind of power.

Your list is far too short for 1000hp. I know, I make 800hp/556tq.



I GIVE ZERO FUCKS. I HATE YOU ALL.


Edited by biglady112 (02/09/14 09:19 PM)

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manikbastrd
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159301 posted 02/11/14 12:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Why do you say that Wisecos are a fad and are garbage? I have(and many many others) run Wisecos in dirtbike motors for years (2 and 4 stroke) with no problems...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159479 posted 02/12/14 04:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting biglady112:

Not enough fuel
Pistons are garbage
Rods are garbage
Turbo will only get the average person to about 60-65% of your goal
Most 1000hp 4G63's use multiple injectors
High compression is not needed. Another fad. If you run an alcohol based fuel is the only time you should need to go that high to reap the benefits.

Wiseco is also another garbage fad product. Not enough meat to really get crazy with things.

Stick with a 2.0L. Much simpler and more reliable to live a healthy life at that kind of power.

Your list is far too short for 1000hp. I know, I make 800hp/556tq.




Perhaps some positive suggestions as to what he should run May have been better than a post full of negativity.



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mitsuturbo
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555/1000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159771 posted 02/14/14 01:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If it were me, (and i'm certainly no expert on 500+ hp setups) I'd lean more toward a set of Pauter X beam rods, a custom set of Ross pistons, and a GT42r based turbo. I've never heard of Crowley cams, and cannot find a presence on the web for them via google search, but AFAIK Kelford and GSC seem to be the leaders in 4g63 camshaft technology these days.

If you're shooting for over 900whp, you're going to run into a slew of drivetrain problems, i'm sure. I think the engine internals would be the least of your worries, to be honest. I'm sure you'd be looking at ridiculous spec driveshaft/axles, significant front&rear differential upgrades, not to mention the puny/weak transfer case that our cars are equipped with. If i had intent to build a beast like that, i'd seriously consider a dry sump setup (including an electric vacuum pump) an electric/external water pump, a boatload of AN lines and fittings, and a whole lot of cro-moly cage/chassis work as well.

As i said... engine internals for a high HP setup like that are likely the least of your concerns. I'm just a JSB bench racer though.



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turbowop
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1051/2000



Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159810 posted 02/14/14 07:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Maybe it's just me, but I think anybody shooting for 1000whp doesn't need to ask opinions on a forum such as this. I don't think I've seen a single guy making that kind of power start such a thread. They already know what's needed. Otherwise, I think you're in over your head.



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Edited by turbowop (02/14/14 07:53 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159811 posted 02/14/14 08:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
turbowop the wise

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159814 posted 02/14/14 09:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

Maybe it's just me, but I think anybody shooting for 1000whp doesn't need to ask opinions on a forum such as this. I don't think I've seen a single guy making that kind of power start such a thread. They already know what's needed. Otherwise, I think you're in over your head.




-Truth.

But as I stated in your other thread, most H-beams will fold at those HP levels. Turbo needs to be substantially bigger. I'm not sure what "slap shift" you're referring to, but most guys with built autos, are going with a full manual (B&M etc) shifter and trans mods. The shift boxes aren't proving to be reliable enough for drag use. Start by building a 4-500whp car, and see if you have the pockets and time to double that.



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coyotes
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1226/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159836 posted 02/14/14 10:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
just swap in an LS1. still gonna be cheaper and less work.



1226/2000

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Captn
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159850 posted 02/15/14 12:29 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Anyone ask about a budget?

That's probably something important, I think you should just restore a vr4 to its original glory.

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138/2000


152/1000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159863 posted 02/15/14 01:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

Maybe it's just me, but I think anybody shooting for 1000whp doesn't need to ask opinions on a forum such as this. I don't think I've seen a single guy making that kind of power start such a thread. They already know what's needed. Otherwise, I think you're in over your head.





i agree with this, if your making/want to make this kind of power you should already know everything that is needed to do so and be able to tune the car as well, unless you have a bottomless checkbook, but if you did youd be in a GTR doing this and Turbowop would still beat your car.....



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159884 posted 02/15/14 06:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've never seen reliable 1000hp except in diesels.
With that said, good luck brother! I hippie you get there one day.



Quoting coyotes:

Just because you WANT your rare turd to be valuable doesn't mean it's gonna be.




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TylerAdamson
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934/1000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1159911 posted 02/15/14 09:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you're serious I'd go the Magnus route. Proven 1k+ HP motors.

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prove_it
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715/1000
1284/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160213 posted 02/17/14 11:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've seen/assisted in a 1100whp EVO 9. You can do it, but it's expensive. Everyone thinks 1000 is easy and you just bolt stuff in.

We had 30k in the build to hit 1100whp. 4 turbos, 12 pistons, 8 rods, 1 engine block, 1 cosworth mivec head, 3 exhausts, nitrous, multiple sets of cams, several clutches, etc. and that's the start. 100+ gallons of c16 fuel...

Not only do you break things, but the cost of swapping parts to try other ones to get more power, that's the bank breaker.

And that's just engine stuff, now with 1kwhp, you have to put it to the ground. 1kwhp builds are a joke in my opinion. Anyone that says they are shooting for that, I always tell them to call me in a year when they are parting everything out.



That reminded me about the MIVEC cam that exploded during a dyno pull.



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Iceman
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100/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160336 posted 02/17/14 10:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I appreciate everyone's suggestions. I didn't start this thred for any other reason than a conversation starter. If you found yourself upset or bothered after reading this than that is on you. There are a handful of people new to these cars and the 4g63, that would like to know how and what they'll need to make more power. I just used this thread as a tool to get some info out there. Apparently everyone has an opinion and some are more bitter than others. If all goes well you can find #100 if not running @ the shootout at least there in all it's glory! )

Saying HI to all my haters!!

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prove_it
my racist jokes aren't actually funny
715/1000
1284/2000


Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1160352 posted 02/18/14 08:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
If your new and not familiar with the 4G63, then you should not be attempting 1k hp.



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