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removing gauge cluster/installing Boost gauge in cluster


drew
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109563 posted 11/03/03 12:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
How do you get the gauge cluster out? I took the two screws that hold in the bezel on the top, but i couldn't get the bezel out because the trip meter button was in the way :-\

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109564 posted 11/03/03 12:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The trip knob unscrews.
Jose....

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109565 posted 11/03/03 01:34 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Drew, take a look at this... all in a nutshell.
galant cluster removal

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109566 posted 11/03/03 08:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
also, once the trip button is removed, you tilt the bezel top part towards you, and press in the color change button on the lower left. when you install the bezel back, it will press in the color button again.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109567 posted 11/03/03 09:52 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If it isn't obvious, you'll have to lower the steering wheel/column, too. [Smile]

Once you have it out of the way, remove the trip knob and depress the color change button, the easiest method is to rotate the top towards you and slide the whole thing to the right.

Once thing I did when I had mine out (repainting the needles) was to remove the ABS lamp (have mine disconnected) and to remove all the green condoms from the lamps. I had previously always kept my cluster on amber, but with the green condoms removed, the "clear" lamps look really nice.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109568 posted 11/03/03 10:19 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by Hertz:
but with the green condoms removed, the "clear" lamps look really nice.

PIC???? Sounds cool...

I'm thinking about the boost gauge install in the center of the cluster... you can drill a big gaping hole there? There's nothing in the back that would get screwed up?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109569 posted 11/03/03 10:31 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hmm, just because I host digital pics doesn't mean I take them! [Smile] Imagine it being a bit brighter, and a little on the green-ish side of white. It makes it look a lot more modern in my opinion... or at least, newer.


The cluster/boost mounting is pretty hard-core. There aren't any lamps or any moving parts in that area, but there is a bit of that flexible circuit board material back there... don't think there are any traces on it, though.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109570 posted 11/03/03 12:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ray who is on this board did it and did a write up back in the pre-Club DSM days. Still got taht somewhere Ray?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109571 posted 11/03/03 10:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I am jonesing to do that boost guage in the cluster install. If anyone has a heads up on that, lemme know.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109572 posted 11/04/03 08:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hmm that would be great.. last night I was thinking how clean that would be... any lead on that writeup???

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109573 posted 11/04/03 11:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The installation will probably be slightly different for each boost gauge. I used an HKS mechanical disassembled from it's casing. The drawback being it can not be backlit since the face is metal.

I believe Ron Gregory used one from JC Whitney which could be backlit by the stock instrument panel. I saw one other person on this board who did it recently.

My biggest suggestion is not to cut anything until you have everything apart and make sure that the gauge is going to fit. I took apart everything until I was left with just the main white plastic shell which everything was attached to. All the stock gauge needles pull straight off (don't try to twist or rock them) and make a note of their positions.

Basically the gauge sits where the stock auto transmission lights are right between the tach and speedo. The boost nipple on the gauge fits through one of the auto tranmission light holes and attaches with the original nut from the gauge. This is the important part to check whether one of the existing holes gets the gauge in the right position and also after attached whether the face of the gauge is going to be flush with the speedo and tach. You also want to check for clearance to the speedo because under boost when the spiral mechanism of the gauge uncoils, it may hit the speedometer and artificially limit the boost shown. Once you're reasonable sure it's going to fit, here's what I had to cut:

1. hole in blank spot on flexible circuit panel (conveniently directly behind auto tranny light holes) for vacuum hose
2. trim plastic around chosen auto tranny light hole for boost gauge (some of the plastic can be grabbed with pliers and snapped off)
3. trim black plastic template in front of auto tranny light holes for new gauge
4. trim a little off speedo and tach faceplates

This is from memory but I think that covers it. Actual work was probably only about an hour but I remember sweating a whole afternoon wondering if I was destroying the instrument panel.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109574 posted 11/04/03 04:51 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, Ray about covered the process. I have mine out right now, so I'll snap some pics and post them...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109575 posted 11/04/03 06:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Here they are...

This is the finished product. It's hard to tell unless you really look hard, but the bezel is not perfectly centered on the boost gauge, nor is it centered between the 2 gauges. Oh well.

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This is the gauges with the plate off, notice the lack of a bezel. I was halfway through the project when I realized that having removed the entire gauge "cup", there was nothing to attach the bezel to. Concordantly, vis a vis, ergo, I attached the bezel to the black "surround plate" (with epoxy) as seen in the next pics...

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The next pics show what a tight sqeeze the gauge is in there. Notice how close it is to the high beam lamp, which I wanted to keep. Barely any room at all. As much as I love you guys, I'm not tearing into the guts to snap pics. I'll be updating it with different lights so I'll snap pics then. Look close and you can see the ragged edges where I tore away plastic with the pliers. The plastic is real soft for some reason, so don't get carried away. I ended up epoxying the gauge shaft (inside the gauge is a shaft which carries the air from the rear fitting to the front of the gauge, hence the "gauge shaft") to the cluster to keep it in place.

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The next pic is the rear, kind of a clusterfuck back there, but hey, what can you do? I couldn't avoid cutting some traces, so I jumped some wires to where the traces went. I also soldered the boost gauge light wires to the cluster light wires, but since the bezel isn't properly mounted, the light doesn't illuminate the gauge face very well. I have something up my sleeve to fix that, it'll be pretty sweet. One last thing, I have to say thanks to my boy Adam, who stayed up with me for about 15 of the 20 hours it took to complete this. I'll try to answer questions, but a lot of this is stuff that will become clear once you have it half torn apart... [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109576 posted 11/04/03 06:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Oh another thing, I don't know how the other guys did their hose, but I did it the dumb way. I led the hose all the way up to the back of the gauge, and then had to twist up my hands to attach it with the cluster half in and then hope it didn't kink when I put the cluster back in place. This time I'm going to attach a long piece of hose permanently to the gauge, and just feed it down so it couples somewhere else. Good luck! [Wink]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109577 posted 11/04/03 10:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice job It turned out really sweet.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109578 posted 11/05/03 08:00 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
[Eek!] [Eek!]

Wow, that is RAW. No way in hell I'm doing that... I'll totally wreck the whole thing. DAMMIT.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109579 posted 11/05/03 08:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Chris, whose white gauge faces are those? Do they stick on? How do they fit?...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109580 posted 11/05/03 10:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Wow Chris, thanks for taking pic! Did you strip the paint off your stock needles, or are they that faded?

I pulled mine about 2 months ago and repainted them... still have yet to get them lined up exactly right again, but it looks good. [Wink]

I'm hearing that the needles "pull stright up" but I found that I really had to use 2 small screwdrivers and a little folded paper (pivot) to leverage them straight up.

If your illumination is a little dim, try removing those "bulb condoms" on the green or amber lamps... whichever ones you don't normally use. I bet you'll love it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109581 posted 11/05/03 12:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for the compliments guys, much appreciated. [Smile] To answer the q's, the gauge faces are from importintelligence.com, some guys out of Exton, PA. I think they were like $25 or something. They are a thin (vinyl?) sheet, a lot like tint, and they go on the same way as tint. It literally took me like 15 minutes to do the faces. The fit is beautiful, and I love the finished product...highly recommended. Ryan, I never realized that the needles were dim until you said something, I just thought that's how they were! As for removing the needles, there are a couple of ways to do it, I used a regular fork and slipped it under the needles and eased them straight up. Anyway guys, don't be scared to do it, just be really careful!! [Big Grin]

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109582 posted 11/05/03 01:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can you remove the bulb condoms without taking the whole plastic cover and needles/faces off?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109583 posted 11/05/03 01:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah, just pull the cluster, turn it over, and the bulbs twist out with a quarter turn.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109584 posted 11/05/03 01:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
quote:
Originally posted by 4g63t:
As for removing the needles, there are a couple of ways to do it, I used a regular fork and slipped it under the needles and eased them straight up. Anyway guys, don't be scared to do it, just be really careful!! [Big Grin]

Oh shit, that's genious! Since I have to adjust a few of mine that's how I'm going to do it this time.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109585 posted 11/06/03 07:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ouch! Maybe I'll just stick with the a-pillar pod. I can see the curse coming to haunt me on that one. So... You like the Import Intelligence guages? I was thinking about those with some new light bulbs as well.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109586 posted 11/06/03 08:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Very nice! Sounds like you just made yourself a startup biz.. Taking orders yet? Was that a 52mm gauge or a 60mm? I've got a 60mm HKS electronic gauge I want to do that with.

One other question..why only a 20 PSI gauge? You won't be able to see boost creep if you decide to run one of those now famous PTE 50 trims that seem to run all day long at 20 psi on pump gas...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 109587 posted 11/09/03 10:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing some to make some extra cash, but it's so time consuming and I just don't have the time. As for the 20 psi gauge, I got it for free...so in it went!

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