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Re: help doing engine swap in my '92 eagle 2000 GTX ('92 Gal


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 799887 posted 06/07/09 11:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
alright so i bought the wiring harness (finaly) and now i am just waiting for everything to come in. my engine will most likely be in tomorrow, and i have arranged for a friend with a trailer to have the engine loaded onto that, so that it will be much easier to manuver, and chain up, and out, and into the car.

just one question, should i remove my old wiring harness first, and then install the new one when it comes in, or does it make a difference?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 799904 posted 06/08/09 01:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
When you pull the old harness, take careful notes about what connectors go where. You'll be playing a bit of "identify that connector". We can help you with that.

Also, it's a good idea to clean/paint the engine bay while the engine is out.

Now is also the time to decide if you're going to attach the tranny before or after the engine is installed.

Also, keep in mind that your tachometer will be slightly inaccurate, being a SOHC tach (8k rpm max). This was addressed in an earlier post.

Sounds like things are moving right along. Awesome

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 800519 posted 06/09/09 11:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
just got the engine yesterday, and took it to where im working on the car.

i got the two fenders, and the tail light today.

have both fenders removed, but i still have to remove the bumper so that i can get at the damaged areas that were under the fenders. more broken bolts, and rust holes.
gonna be welding on new peices of metal so that i can actualy mount the fenders right.
then, there is still the whole part under the car that has to be done so that i can put in the motor.

i am now only waiting for the rad, the ecu, and the wiring harness. i am expecting to get them all over the next few days.

i took some more pics today, but im just too tired to put them up right now.

ill try to get them up tomorrow.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 800530 posted 06/09/09 11:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Aww, it's tired .

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 800789 posted 06/10/09 11:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
alright, so heres the pics i said i would put up.

so the engine arrived. i was soooo stoked about that.


and the fenders and the tail light came in the next day.


unwrapped the engine




i installed the tail light in today. finaly after 2 years, i have the right tail light!
and it looks good.


there is the one belt on the engine that confuses me.


is that the belt for the air conditioning? if it is, i dont have ac. should i go thru the hassle of taking off the belt, or just cutting it off? it looks like a good belt.


well, thats all i have now.
ill keep taking pics as the work progresses.
feel free to post any comments or suggestions.

the main part that i am concentrating on right now is the metal frame work, where its rusted thru. there are only three realy major spots that need to have new metal welded in. the cross member, and the parts just underneith both fenders.

i got the flywheel put on. will be installing the rest of the clutch later.

still some body rust to take care of.

ill keep you guys updated on my project.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801186 posted 06/12/09 03:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok i didnt finish reading this thread after the first few posts cuz i just got excited. 1st of all...since when is any galant a DSM...i say this because my thoughts were that if a mitsu had an eagle/plymouth counterpart that it was DSM. i guess it was just the base model galants then? next, i have a totalled galant gsr sitting right now waiting for parts to fly off of it. i have the 4g63 DOHC ecu, front drive axles, drivers side is brand new, less than 100 miles on it. also have anything else you could imagine. already sold the engine to another board member. have a 5 spd trans with nearly new clutch/pressure plate in it, less than 3000 miles. its an exedy oem replacement. if you need anything for this swap let me know. i would do both axles for 100+shipping, trans for 50+shipping, ecu for 50+shipping, and whatever else you need just let me know.

/thread jack

EDIT: just finished reading the thread. too bad i didnt find this sooner i could have saved you some money most likely. that belt on there is the AC belt, so just take it off, you can cut it or just loosen the PS belt and Alt belt and take it off. if you need anything else for your build just let me know. i soent a good deal of time wrenching on my 4g63 before i wrecked it. most of the guys here know a lot more than me, but i think i have a little to offer lol.



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Edited by 91GSR (06/12/09 03:32 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801187 posted 06/12/09 06:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yea, man, sorry. I grabbed the engine from 91GSR but definitely like your build up. Car looks good minus some of those broken bolts

Good luck! Will be stopping back to see how it's going later.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801190 posted 06/12/09 07:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yeah the reason that you have probably never heard of the 2000 GTX, is because it was only sold in Canada. and as far as i know, it came with all the other options also. altho i dont have much to compare with. when my dad bought this car new, it was the only one left on the lot.
but i am fairly certain that these cars had at least the dohc, and awd options.

btw, i beleive i found someone with a vr4 in Moncton!

i realy need to stop by their house and check that thing out.
if it is a vr4, ill let you guys know the number.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801304 posted 06/12/09 01:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok, so i checked out the other car that i saw, and it turns out its just another eagle 2000GTX, but its belize green, and has the wing, and some sweet rims that the guy put on it.
ill get some pics of it in a few days. i couldnt today because it was raining realy hard. flooding in some of the lower areas.

i got a lot done today on the car.

got both sides under the fenders welded on, and got a rust hole area under the back door.

ill upload the pics tonight.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801442 posted 06/12/09 10:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice score on the fenders. Did you get some painted or is that the original paint on them?

Oh AFAIK the 2000GTX was available as SOHC fwd, DOHC FWD & DOHC AWD but I haven't seen a turbo version.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801537 posted 06/13/09 11:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
it was the original color on the fenders.

alright, so heres a few more pics of the work that has been done so far yesterday.

welded on the places to attach the fenders, right under the bumper.


did the same thing on the other side, but this side wasnt so bad. so it was more of a reenforcement, and also a spot for one of the bolts that had ripped off, seeing as the bolts was slipping.


there was a spot in the wheel well that had rusted out, and cracked. it was right by the battery holder.


so it was welded, and patched up.


and put some undercoating on it.


and then there was a spot right under the back drivers side door, that had rusted thru, so we cut it out, put in a new piece of metal, welded it in, and then covered it up with fiber glass body filler. i will sand it smooth later.


i also installed the clutch onto the engine. (ill get a pic eventualy)
so thats what i got done on friday.
im still waiting on the ecu, the wiring harness, and the rad.
sunday were gonna fix up that big problem area that the cross member needs to bolt up to. and ill sand down the fiberglass. and we also will start working on a rust area, or at least the bubbling in the paint around the antena.
need to drill all the bad/broken bolts out. and need to replace all of those bolts.

i cant wait for the rest of the stuff to come in!
i have a deadline of less than two weeks.
i know i can get it done!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801561 posted 06/13/09 12:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Congrats on the progress! It looks like things are moving right along. Good luck man!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801570 posted 06/13/09 01:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If I were you, I would remove that AC belt and the tensioner along with it. Also, I would put a new waterpump, timing belt and components, and new accessory belts on before you install that motor in the car. A little money and time spent now means less issues to deal with in the near future. Go through and replace *all* coolant hoses while you're at it as well.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801610 posted 06/13/09 02:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
definitely agree. a new timing belt is a must. hell for that matter all belts. since the car is out you could think about doing the BSEK too. just so its easier. water pump is also a good plan.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 801679 posted 06/13/09 08:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
+1 on all of that...SO much easier to get that sh*t done without the car in the way lol. While you're at it, Exhaust, Oil Pan and VC gaskets can be done as well, IMO.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802013 posted 06/14/09 11:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
well, theres a lot of those things that i just wont be able to do as i have to get this car by the 24th at the latest. i will be replacing the hoses. any kind that you suggest?

but anywho, heres some pics of what was done today.

so we cleaned out the rust area that was around the antena.
sanded it all down, put on the body filler, smoothed that down and sprayed on the primer. that spot is done minus the actual paint. will paint in the future, but doesnt need to be done right now.


mounted on the trans, and filled the engine with oil. installed starter off old engine.


cut off the bolts for the cross brace, so that we can get new ones mounted up and thru.


i have ran into a small problem. one that i think somone mentioned once, but i guess i forgot about it. i need a drivers side engine mount. seeing as my old one is just a little to short. please help! if you, or anyone you know, has an engine mount that they are selling, please let me know! i need one asap!


i also need a new o2 sensor, seeing as they broke the one that came with it.
again, if you have, or know anyone that has the o2 sensor for the dohc n/t, and that they are selling, please let me know asap!


please help guys, i like need those parts this week!
thanks!

ill update more tomorrow.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802065 posted 06/15/09 07:19 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
made purchase on the engine mount.
now all i need is the o2 sensor.

i hope that i get all my parts this week...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802416 posted 06/16/09 12:02 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
too tired to put up the pics tonight. need to wake up early tomorrow.

today i bought a new oil filter from NAPA, i got some new spark plugs, and i bought the primer. applied primer to all finished areas. will post pics tomorrow.
also found a new rust area, which i have already started working on.

ordered some new rad hoses. those will be in on wednesday, and ill be picking up the other hoses at the same time.

we actualy broke a ratchet a few days back.
need to borrow another one, and eventualy buy a new one.

thats all for now. pics, and further updates tomorrow.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802421 posted 06/16/09 12:11 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So you're not going to replace the timing belt on this used engine?

You know what happens if the timing belt breaks, right?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802428 posted 06/16/09 12:30 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^That's timing belts to you, Whoppy .

And he is going to change them, and he knows why he should. Right, Woosky?


Edited by cspetros (06/16/09 12:32 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802510 posted 06/16/09 09:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
of course i am! and of course i do! im getting the belts today.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802564 posted 06/16/09 11:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok, so i got ALL the belts (minus the ac)

and i got a brand new ratchet set! ill post a pic tonight.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 802795 posted 06/16/09 11:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
alright, so update from work done yesterday.

bought and installed new oil filter from NAPA


sprayed on the primer on top of the bodyfiller around the antena,


and also sprayed on the primer for the area that was under the back door that was fixed.


found new rust area, cut out area, and prepared for welding. i have the metal cut for it already. once the welding is done, will apply the body filler, sand down, and prime.


now, update for today.
i didnt actualy get to go work on my car today, but i did buy the belts, and a new ratchet set!

here are all the belts that will be needed. i spent just over $100 (CAD) on these belts.


and here is the new ratchet set. cost me just over $120 (CAD) at NAPA. lifetime warranty.


well, thats it for now. hopefully, i will be installing those belts, and the spark plugs i bought, tomorrow.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 803114 posted 06/17/09 09:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i do hope that you snagged some oem tensioners and such...the kit i got from extremepsi.com had the oem mitsu belt, timing belt tensioner, balance shaft belt and tensioner and a couple other little things and it was all like 220. i dont know the exchange rate, but from what i have learned...ur napa belt might have to be changed out sooner than if u just bought a mitsu oem one. im not sure tho...anybody else chime in on this?



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Man trans-Check
disc brake-Check
4wd-Check
turbo-Check
4 doors-Check
0 Cup holders-Check
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 803150 posted 06/17/09 11:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Timing belt brands are a classic debate subject. The important things: the belts are installed correctly; the hydraulic tensioner is healthy; the tensioner pulleys are adjusted properly.

Woosky, you should check out the VFAQ timing belt pages when you go to install the new belts. They are a priceless guide to removing the old belts and installing the new ones correctly. They can be found here: Heavenly writings from the Mitsu/DSM gods.

Look on the bottom of the hyd. tensioner for a date stamp (so have them, some don't). If it's pretty old, it should be replaced. Also, if it has a screw on the bottom of the shaft that uses an allen key, REPLACE. I read somewhere here that these are the old type. There are steps for checking the tensioner to tell if it's good/bad (like if there's fluid squirting out of it when it's compressed), but most people say if you're not sure, and you're buying new belts, just replace it. Same goes for the tensioner and idler pulleys.

Here are some good threads: Timing Belt ramblage

Read over all of this info before starting, especially if it's your first time. There are some great tips in them. The Technical Service Bulletin page is the best. I changed my first set of timing belts this past weekend after a balance shaft belt disintegrated on the way to Atlanta. It didn't screw up the main timing belt (like it does most times), thank goodness (it was broken into two separate belt chunks, all gnarly up in the engine front ). I removed the shafts in the engine I'm currently building. Good riddance.

Long story short, if those belts snap, the dual-cam-head that your entire swap thread is based on will not be happy . It will be bent and angry and screaming .

Keep us posted.

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