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I hate rust and stuff


chucklesas
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613287 posted 02/26/08 04:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Vultures go away, this thread isn't for you.

Well, I finally got some motivation to start working on these cars again. My plan was to rebuild 363 after the engine bay fire. Well, I started taking the front driver's side fender off... got down to the dog-leg area, removing the bolts that hold the fender on down there. All the metal in that area is rusted to shit and is crumbling/breaking up as I try to remove the bolts. I fear the rust on this car is just more than what I have the means to handle. I have two shells sitting here, one that isn't rusty, but that one was rear ended pretty bad. I seriously doubt I could cut out the really bad rust sections and replace them with sections from the other car. I have a feeling both shells are going to be a loss at this point.

What would you do?



Charles S
363 burn victim, SOLD to be parted out1180 SOLD
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Edited by Charles (05/13/09 04:29 PM)

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Redlinegvr4
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613290 posted 02/26/08 04:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
start looking for another shell.



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chucklesas
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613293 posted 02/26/08 04:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      









Charles S
363 burn victim, SOLD to be parted out1180 SOLD
720 SOLD


Edited by Charles (02/26/08 04:55 PM)

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chucklesas
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613295 posted 02/26/08 04:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quote:

start looking for another shell.




I'm thinking that's going to be the general consensus, which means I'd probably just scrap these 2 shells and unload everything I've got and just get out all together. Oh well, was fun while it lasted... I guess



Charles S
363 burn victim, SOLD to be parted out1180 SOLD
720 SOLD

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613312 posted 02/26/08 05:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
before you scrap, pull the fenders & get an air hammer with a scaler tip. get all the crap out of the way & see how bad it realy is. the fender & effed up undercoating may be making it look worse than it realy is.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613474 posted 02/26/08 09:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Before you scrap them, see if anyone here or on other DSM forums wants to buy one or both shells and handle the bodywork.

They aren't making any more of these. Every effort must be made to save every one.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613477 posted 02/26/08 09:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That is identical to my old 1990 TSi that was run into the ground by the guy I sold it to. I'm gonna go cry.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613497 posted 02/26/08 10:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i might be interested if u scrap the shells

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613498 posted 02/26/08 10:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Honestly, that is not that bad in the pictures. Get that lower fender loose, clean the crap out and seal up the back of the fender and the wheelhouse behind it with something like Zerorust or POR. Stop the rust, paint up the outside and put the dogleg back on. You won't even see it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613505 posted 02/26/08 11:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Id fix it by cutting out & welding in new, that outer rail is a big part of the structure of the unibody. If nothing else I think you'll get a lot more chasis flex in that area, not to mention being weaker in a side hit. That said, I still think it will look a lot less hopless after you get it cleaned up enough to see what you have.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613511 posted 02/27/08 12:16 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
+1 on cleaning that area up. Take a wire wheel to it and see just how bad the actual metal there is.



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misterfixit
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613744 posted 02/27/08 01:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
how bad is the bent one? if you can replace trhe quarters, floor and rear crossmember with the rusty one it might be a sounder shell? I've got the the body repair manual. i can post the bits you need?

tells all the spotweld locations and procedures to pull whole lumps out and replace to factory spec. post a pic of the bent one!

Rich



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613756 posted 02/27/08 02:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
seems like the perfect opportunity for a stretch vr4. Then you can race, get the groceries, and pick up ALL the kids from soccer.

honestly I'd agree with the first post, I wouldn't spend a ton of time on either if they're that bad. Let one of the "there's only so many" shellhuggers spend 23984723 hours cleaning them up.

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chucklesas
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613769 posted 02/27/08 02:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I guess that bent one isn't THAT horrible, but again, more than something I could handle. I didn't think the rust on the white car would be THAT bad, and figured a car with a bad rear end and a car with a bad front end could turn into a good car.




Charles S
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 613775 posted 02/27/08 03:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
To fix that proper you will need to get it on a frame machine and have it measured up and pulled back to spec..You might have to skin the rear quarter but you could get that off the other car.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614120 posted 02/28/08 07:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
These cars don't take a rear end collision well at all. There's no hydraulic shocks on the rear bumper to absorb any impacts, and those loads are fed right into the unibody rails where they are the strongest, so the unibody buckles where it's weaker.

This weaker area is quite aways from the point of impact

Look for buckling in the real wheel arch, the rear door frames, and stress lines in the roof. (I'm guessing you will find some )

I saw a ~ten~ mile an hour impact total a 91 vr4

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misterfixit
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614301 posted 02/28/08 02:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
As i said id rather get the clean one on a frame jig. once the rot sets in you'll only pospone it for a couple of years.

Rich

I'll post some pics to help in a bit



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misterfixit
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614361 posted 02/28/08 02:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
here:





























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Edited by misterfixit (01/30/13 07:31 AM)

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misterfixit
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614374 posted 02/28/08 03:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      


Hope this helps your decision.

If you need owt else please shout! spotwelding is jus like using a stapler.

Have a search around under my posts and you'll see a section of the body manual fr the front frame rail, this will show you the kind of information we have available. If it's any use i'll upload the bit's you'll need. Tell us the panels and structure you need to see and it'll give big clarity to help you decide.

Rich



92 UK 1800 GALANT DD
88 JDM E39A GALANT VR-4, running. But only just.
93 CB4A --- rewound
91 PDM GTI Resurection project. Aborted
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Edited by misterfixit (02/28/08 03:28 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614555 posted 02/28/08 08:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think that if you were to go the route of putting a quarter on the black one i would use a regular galant gsx or somthing rather than the other one you have cause they are both fixable.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 614571 posted 02/28/08 09:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Rich, your posts rock!

I've always felt that just about anything is fixable, but I've learned that somethimes it's best to walk away.

That said, I definately agree with running away from cars with structural rust issues...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 615226 posted 03/01/08 04:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah dude, after 27 burned down....I thought for a second about turning it into a full out drag car...but, yeah I agree sometimes you just have to walk away from it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 791482 posted 05/13/09 12:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Structural welding ain't that hard, right?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 791491 posted 05/13/09 12:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
I have seen worse, and you really won't know the extent of the damage until you really strip it down. both of them can be saved if you have a lot of patience and some good know how. Sad thing is that there have been cleaner ones then that that have been scrapped. look at my #420 that 14u2nv had, it has a little bit of rust, which is tottally fixable. He was gonna toss it, and I rescued it from intiment death.

So tear it down and ask some one you know that might have some experience with rust repair, and make sure what ever you do, if you fix it, spray the repaired areas with POR-15!



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