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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203190 posted 03/03/15 10:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Okay starting a new thread for all my little projects. 560 runs well, pulls hard, but has been brought to my attention that I have a couple issues that need addressing. I will start with the fuel rail issue. I have ordered a new rail and all the lines needed to mount my afpr on the firewall. The parts should be here by friday. I'll get to work either Sunday or Monday on the issue. I'll post pictures before and after. If i have any questions I'll be sure to post them here. Thanks guys



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203192 posted 03/03/15 11:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you get some time, take a bunch of pics of your set-up. We can all take a peek and point out areas that need work.

As mentioned in the other thread we've noted:

Fuel rail set-up
Turbo oil feed line
WG upper nipple issue
Coolant vent line

We are here to help you out and with more pics we can help you get this car sorted out.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203193 posted 03/03/15 11:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Where should the wastegate nipple connect to?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203194 posted 03/03/15 11:53 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Your manual boost controller. The other end of the boost controller should "T" into the BOV vacuum line.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203197 posted 03/03/15 12:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks, I'll see what I can see when I get a chance. Will come back with pictures



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203200 posted 03/03/15 12:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would avoid T-ing off the line to the BOV. There should be a nipple on your turbo J-pipe. Place the MBC (the new one you get) between the wastegate nipple and the J-pipe. Let the BOV have an un-tapped line to it from the Intake manifold.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203206 posted 03/03/15 02:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Any preference on boost controllers? Is it worth it to get electronic or would a manual one be sufficient for the time being?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203207 posted 03/03/15 02:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Are you on a budget? If so, don't worry about the controller right now. The turbo feed line is far more crucial at this point. If your wallet is fat, then just a manual boost controller. It's far less complex to set-up and will do just fine as I don't think you need to play with boost ramp rates, lo boost, hi boost, etc.


Also I'd recommend buying up a copy of Corky Bell's "Maximum Boost" and a copy of Robert Garcia/Richard Bowen's "How to Build Max-Performance Mitsubishi 4g63t Engines"

Those two books are the bibles of what to do and why on your engine. Max boost will teach you loads about turbos and associated systems, the max performance book is a 4G63 centered book written with Robert Garcia of RRE fame. There is tons of info there.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203208 posted 03/03/15 03:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Manual should be more than sufficient, but if you are running link a simple vacuum solenoid will open up a lot more options for you. Also the top port of the waste gate doesn't necessarily need to be used, it does help smooth the actuation out and lets the gate work faster. It will also allow you to get every little bit of boost out of the springs that are inside of it without the gate opening up prematurely. Put "waste gate vacuum diagram" in google images and it should bring up a ton of diagrams you can follow, adding the extra line to the top port on the gate is simple enough and should be done.

edit: ^ likewise, basic maintenance should be top priority with identifying and fixing leaks and such.


Edited by Fiascoxl (03/03/15 03:02 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1203218 posted 03/03/15 05:00 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
From your other thread:
Quoting clevr4:

Thanks man. I'll be able to ask more intelligent questions after I check those things in person. But what should my wastegate nipple connect to? And what would be a good fix for my turbo situation? Delete that boost controller and install a electronic one? I always that boost controller was kind of pointless, how would you know what you're setting the boost at? Guy said it was at 18lbs of boost but I've never seen it go over 15 on my gauge. What are the effects of over oiling your turbo? I can understand why under oiling is bad. Thanks for the input




Wastegate top port: It could be vented, or could be routed back to a boost controller. It was more of a question to you, rather than saying it was configured wrong or right.

Turbo situation: First, you need to identify what turbo you have. Take some pictures of the turbo; to include the compressor and turbine housings, as well as the compressor wheel. Post the pictures up so we can help you ID what you have. After we figure out what turbo you have, we can tell you what type of oil supply it needs.

Manual boost controller: Just pick up a Hallman Pro. The are cheap and work great. To set the MBC, you just guess and check. You turn it all the way down, and then crank it up slowly until you reach the desired boost level. You'll need an accurate boost gauge for this process.

Turbo oiling: Ryan (prove_it) pretty much summed it up in his post in your fuel rail thread. Bottom line, you need to ensure you're oiling system is properly supplying your turbo.

Don't be afraid to ask dumb questions. As long as you're humble to suggestions, and willing to learn, there are tons of people here willing to help. Also, as Ryan suggested, post up some more pictures of your setup. Pictures will tell us more than anything you can type here.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204364 posted 03/19/15 06:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Okay so I got fuel rail, started to repair the problem but run into another. It seems I don't need -6 AN fittings. Any idea what I have? And if so do they make adapters? Another this is. On the fpr side of rail the adapter you sugvested doesn't fit. Works fine on the first injector side. Kind of pissed I can't get this thing thrown together tonight. I guess you learn not to listen to everyone's advice and find out on your own.
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204365 posted 03/19/15 06:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204368 posted 03/19/15 06:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Do they make adapters for -6 to another soze? Or will I have to buy all new fittings or replace my whole lines with -6. This is highly frustrating. What to do about the long end of the rail?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204370 posted 03/19/15 07:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Try the fitting on the other end. One end has the bolt holes spread farther apart.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204371 posted 03/19/15 07:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I know, but what am I to do with this end? And my fpr has a fittING that's way larger than -6. So I will need some adaper to get back hooked up



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204372 posted 03/19/15 07:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Where did the black fitting come from? Post some pics of the all you got too.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204373 posted 03/19/15 07:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
An fittings direct. I need a bigger size though, -6 won't fit my current setup from pump to rail..



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204374 posted 03/19/15 08:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The black fitting end looks like the end of the fitting that inserts into the hose. What's on the other end?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204375 posted 03/19/15 08:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The black fitting is a -6 45 degree. I held it next to it to get what size I actually need. What is the blue compared to the black? Blue is bigger and black is -6. Do they make adapters from let's say -6 to -8 or 10?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204376 posted 03/19/15 08:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I guess this is better picture [image][/image]



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204377 posted 03/19/15 08:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes, they do. You should really get an NPT to AN and thread it into the rail (have to tap of course). That does look like a -8, but if that fitting was threaded into the fuel rail, it is really not the correct way to do things.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204378 posted 03/19/15 08:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The blue fitting is definitely a -8. Did the po tap a stock rail for a -8 fitting, if so that is the reason it leaked so bad because there isn't enough material left after going that big on a stock rail. You can buy a -8 male to -6 female fitting to keep from buying another feed line and fittings.

edit: on second thought they could have used a smaller npt size on the rail end, but that negates the point of -8 if so. I know if it were me I would just replace it all, you just never know what the po hacked along the way.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204383 posted 03/19/15 09:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
For right now I just need thay adapter. I already invested in the wrong materials not knowing any better. And the car has been down for almost a month. Do you have a link to where I can find that adapter? I think I'll need 2. I might have the order the long side of the rail adapter from stm tuning



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204395 posted 03/19/15 11:04 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I actually have that fitting, you can have it for next to nothing if you want? If you aren't doing anything Saturday I would be more than willing to bring it to you, actually I can bring most of the stuff I upgraded from if you are interested? Pretty sure I can get your car back on the road easily for you.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1204404 posted 03/20/15 07:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Shoot I'd more than appreciate that, I work Saturday though 7am to 3pm and 530pm to 9pm. I have off Sunday and Monday, but wouldn't expect you to extend that offer. I think i ordered everything I need it just might not be for another week or so. I will take a picture later but I have another question about fuel injectors and how they are suppose to sit in the rail with the seals. There's 3 rubber rings on the top of the injector. Only 2 actually are in the rail the other one is right out side?



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