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1st engine build.


yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006583 posted 07/20/11 03:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
should i replace my oil and water pump while doing this build i will also be removing the balance shaft and ordering the parts needed for the elimination kit off of vfaq.com

i know i should just want to make sure before i buy new oil and water pump



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006584 posted 07/20/11 03:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah man since u already rite there y not. insted in later having to rip it apart again just to do all that when u wore already there.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006588 posted 07/20/11 03:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What exactly are you doing? If you are just replacing the head gasket and timing belt then no, don't bother with the oil pump, but anytime the timing belt is being replaced the water pump should be replaced as well. If you are replacing internals then the oil pump is all about how it looks. I would probably replace it myself just so all the parts are new.



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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006590 posted 07/20/11 04:09 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
is this right oil pumps cost about 150.00 and water pumps how much do they run

and i dropped off both head and block im doing a full rebuild shooting for mostly stock other than gaskets arp headstuds pistons and kevlar timing belt



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006593 posted 07/20/11 04:35 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Water pumps are like 30 or so. Cheap enough that you should replace it and not worry about it. One less thing to worry about, right?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006596 posted 07/20/11 04:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Don't cheap out and replace both. Why go through all this work to half ass the little stuff?



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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006600 posted 07/20/11 04:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i just dont wanna pay 160 for an oil pump can anyone recommend the best priced one?


and trust me im NOT cheaping out on the important stuff except for head-gasket cause it comes with the TOPLINE kit i ordered.
i even bought a kevlar timing belt

but the water pump i just ordered rock auto has the oil pump for about 160

any ideas

ALSO IS the balance shaft elimination kit hard? im ordering the parts from mitsu like vfaq says



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Edited by yeti (07/20/11 05:07 PM)

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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006601 posted 07/20/11 05:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
and is the rockl auto bosch water pump worth the money it says oem replacement

and are these oil pumps from rock auto oem????

click

beck/arnley part#0280371



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006603 posted 07/20/11 05:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting yeti:

i just dont wanna pay 160 for an oil pump can anyone recommend the best priced one?




The oil pump is what moves the life blood of your engine I would suggest buying a good one not a cheap one.

Quoting yeti:

and trust me im NOT cheaping out on the important stuff except for......




The oil pump.



Michael
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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006607 posted 07/20/11 05:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
hahaha

so you bought yours for 300 from dealer?

and i SHOULD NOT BUY THE ONE FROM ROCK AUTO?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006612 posted 07/20/11 05:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You can get a OEM oil pump for around $220 ish through most respectable companies dsm companys.

I think this was one of the best deals

click

click

Just note it does not include new gears those are more almost $90 to $100


But like what has been said there has been hit or miss with most non OEM oil pumps. Everyone maying power is running OEM. So i make it a point to use what is trusted. Something like the oil pump is not ssomething to skimp on. It will bite you in the end and cause more damage to internals.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006614 posted 07/20/11 05:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I havent been on slowboy for a while and was just there and seen this. this has the gears with it.

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boostedinaz
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006621 posted 07/20/11 06:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting yeti:

hahaha

so you bought yours for 300 from dealer?

and i SHOULD NOT BUY THE ONE FROM ROCK AUTO?




Yes, I did. When I redid my engine I bought damn near everything from the dealer. The local DSM guys have worked it out so we get a pretty good discount on parts.

It's a very rare occasion that I cut corners. I have seen only a handful of people say, "I'm glad I didn't buy a good solid part the first time." I do however make good money on the side fixing a LOT of half ass stuff.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006666 posted 07/20/11 11:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So you're paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars to rebuild the engine, yet you're wanting to save a few bucks when it comes to the most important part of your engine? Cheap parts will almost always bite you in the ass.

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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006676 posted 07/21/11 12:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No reason to get hasty I was just asking where everyone else bought their oil pump from, the one on slowboy seems to be the best deal.

I bought new idler pully,timing belt pulley and new tensioner

Do I need the crank shaft sprocket spacer for the balanceshaft elimination kit

Thanks to everyone for the advice



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Edited by yeti (07/21/11 07:11 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006693 posted 07/21/11 06:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lol......

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006713 posted 07/21/11 10:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
We aren't going to spoon feed you everything. This site has a ton of very useful information that has been built up over the year, and with something as basic as water and oil pumps, you will not have a tough time finding the right information. It's especially annoying when you ask for our input, then second guess what is said by respected members.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006745 posted 07/21/11 02:55 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yup yup!!!!!

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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006797 posted 07/21/11 07:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting boostedinaz:

Quoting yeti:

hahaha

so you bought yours for 300 from dealer?

and i SHOULD NOT BUY THE ONE FROM ROCK AUTO?




Yes, I did. When I redid my engine I bought damn near everything from the dealer. The local DSM guys have worked it out so we get a pretty good discount on parts.

It's a very rare occasion that I cut corners. I have seen only a handful of people say, "I'm glad I didn't buy a good solid part the first time." I do however make good money on the side fixing a LOT of half ass stuff.




^eh

this was not meant to sound like i was laughing at you i was laughing AT THE fact you reworded what i said as in im not cheaping out....except for the oil pump.

AND im not trying to second guess anybody at all if anything im trying to get a clarification so i dont buy the wrong piece..

I appreciate the info on this site more than my eyes them self sorry if i sound unappreciative or just trying to find an easy answer.(wording can be read in many tones).

and about the oil pump i was just suprised for it to be so expensive its my first engine build.



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Edited by yeti (07/21/11 07:20 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006864 posted 07/22/11 12:17 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
No worries. Just realize that it's no wise to cheap out on a part as vital as the oil pump.

Build it right the first time and it will be some time before it needs another rebuild.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006898 posted 07/22/11 07:45 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I wouldnt run that topline head gasket... All the others in the kit should be fine, I would shell out a few extra bucks for a dealer multiplayer or regular head gasket. also when I redid my motor I found an oil pump that was made by aisin I believe they make our oem joints.



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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1006943 posted 07/22/11 03:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yeah im looking for the ones from aisin but cant find they right make/year

i think i might just go with the one from slowboy racing



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1007007 posted 07/22/11 09:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you have any concern about your oil pump and do not know what to look for, I would suggest taking it to your machine shop and let them take a look at it for you. It would also depend on if your rebuilding because there was a bunch of trash that ruined your bearings or your just rebuild to freshen things up. Like one of the previous post said it all depends on what it looks like. I used to rebuild Porsche engines and some of this oil pumps could push $3000. You can do a lot of checking, cleaning and repairing for $3000!

Have someone who rebuilds engines for a living look at it and see if it's worn. If it looks ok to them have them do some measuring and see if the shafts are worn or the bores for the shafts are worn. A good machine shop will charge about $15 to check it out and then you will know for sure. Water pump should be replaced no matter what for $30!



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yeti
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1007016 posted 07/22/11 10:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
both oil pump and water pump already ordered

thanks though im more of pulling my hair out trying to figure out my other thread .



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1246319 posted 06/08/19 09:28 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
If it not a bad ground or blown fuse it could also be the alternator. if it has a bad connect it could also drain the battery.

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