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Re: MHI Big 16g


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047240 posted 01/22/12 08:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can't we all just get along... And answer my follow up question that I put up a few replies ago.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047241 posted 01/22/12 08:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
What would that matter? You want to check for leaks from the mas to the head.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047243 posted 01/22/12 08:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting maxash0775:

Can't we all just get along... And answer my follow up question that I put up a few replies ago.



I think the automotive industry rates everything at the flywheel. Giving actual hp (at the wheels) is ineffective marketing. It's a numbers game.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047244 posted 01/22/12 08:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^ Man i hope you arent serious. + this is how the catch can was attached. And sorry man , i didn't mean to hijack your thread. Just putting in my 2c.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047245 posted 01/22/12 08:29 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you hope I am not serious, I hope you are not an ASE Tech.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047247 posted 01/22/12 08:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well then sir your hopes are crushed! If you choose to attach a catch can with a valve stem i don't even want to see the rest of your car.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047248 posted 01/22/12 08:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You post a picture of a valve stem on the intake pipe and we are to assume the catch can was connected to it?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047250 posted 01/22/12 08:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Whats the difference from the evo3GT 16g and EvoIII Big 16G (49178-01470)? is the GT a ebay version or compressor cover difference?

+1 You do not need to feed a 16g from the OFH.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047252 posted 01/22/12 08:38 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DDM:

Dude.. nothing was directed to you before my previous post. You just blew a fuse because i disagreed with someone . There is a difference between taking someones side and telling someone to "fack off"




I "blew a fuse" because you're polluting this forum with your misinformation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding the turbo oil from the head. And I'm not taking anybody's side here. I'm just trying to keep anybody else looking for good info on this forum from thinking they need to do something that isn't necessary.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047257 posted 01/22/12 08:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This thread sounds looks like "tooners".

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047265 posted 01/22/12 09:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DDM:

Quoting turbowop:


Here we go. Another ASE certified n00b to the forum. After reading you say that in a thread about snow tires, I had to laugh.

Considering how many stock turbos lasted hundreds of thousands of miles and only needed new exhaust housings due to cracks, I'd say the oil feed from the head works just fine. Mitsu also put out a lot of motors that crankwalked with the 2g, so I wouldn't say that change is always good.

The only reason anybody should consider runnning a line off the OFH is for some custom application, or if a specific turbo manufacturer requires a higher pressure feed, like the FPgreen/red. It's no better. Both my cars are fed from the head. You wanna tell me I'm doing it wrong? Fack off.

Bunch of kids, eh? I'm 35, own two GVR4's, one of them since '98. This ain't about post count. We're a tight knit community with members that have been here for over a decade. Lots of knowledge and not a lot of bullshit. You won't make many friends here acting the way you are. Just sayin'.




Thats a great post considering i wasn't even talking to you but since you added that "fack off" we can argue a little lol. Just cause i recently registered on this forum does not make me a newb to dsms. Whats sad is that a 35 year old man that is just siding with people to make friends on an international forum because you are so convinced you are "doing it right". I never said you were doing it wrong if you read my post. I simply said its better to feed it from OFH. You are acting like its a big ass mod to the car and takes 5 days to complete (well maybe for you). I recommend this to everyone and i have yet see something go wrong with feeding the turbo like that. You sir are just a moron. Just by that "Fack off" i can tell you are a 35 year old with a 12 year olds mind since you cant provide any explanation for anything and just say that you are doing it right.





You need to back pedal and put it in a lower gear bud,

I commended you in another thread for removing your galant from the hands of an idiot.

However that doesn't give you free reign to start spouting off like you're the end-all, be-all of automotive knowledge.

The head feed, commonly referred to as "gravity feed" is completely fine for many turbos on the market. the OFH feed mod is of no real importance on most cars/turbos.

Namely those who remove their balance shafts and greatly increase the pressure at the OFH unless porting the relieve valve opening, they will blow some turbo seals with a quickness.

Lets take a look at the turbo oil feed on the 2g, coupled with the T25 I always thought it was a tactic to keep mechanics in a job, higher pressure oil line, combined with a smaller, harder working turbo = lots of dead t25's out there.

Either feed line will work if installed properly and everything else is up to par. Now give it a rest before i put the chicago sector of the GVR4 mafia on your ass.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047275 posted 01/22/12 09:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting maxash0775:

Can't we all just get along... And answer my follow up question that I put up a few replies ago.




Not to be a jerk, but it might be best to start a new thread in a different section.. there ain't no stopping it now.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047291 posted 01/22/12 10:22 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DDM:

I dont care what turbo you run its way better pressure to feed it off there then the head. What am i explaining this to a bunch of kids?




ive got to add one minor detail, possibly irrelevant, and from a neutral standpoint (that could be nit-picking....)

you dont care what turbo you run... its way better to feed from OFH is the jist of what i got out of that above quote.

so.... if the OP decided to run a BB turbo, that requires 15 psi or so of oil pressure, is it still better to feed from the OFH?

(no.)



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047309 posted 01/22/12 10:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Srsly. This is the reason I can't stand this n00bs posts.

On 1051, I run my ball bearing FP3052 off the head with a restrictor, as per FP's instructions since they require very little oil pressure. Back when I ran an FPgreen, I ran the feed off the OFH, again, as per their instructions to help feed the modified thrust bearing.

On 503, I run my Evo3 16g fed from the head with zero issues.

Stating that it's "way better" to feed oil from the OFH is a retarded blanket statement. It all depends on the application.



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Edited by turbowop (01/22/12 10:53 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047318 posted 01/22/12 11:15 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Turbro_Negro:

Whats the difference from the evo3GT 16g and EvoIII Big 16G (49178-01470)? is the GT a ebay version or compressor cover difference?

+1 You do not need to feed a 16g from the OFH.


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yeah the evo3GT a chinese knock-off that never lasts long on performance builds.

PO of my car fed a BB Garrett from the OFH w/ no restrictor ... needless to say, the seals are non-existent now, but modding a restrictor into the feed banjo stopped most of the leaking/smoking... now the in/out shaft play is like 1/8"

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047321 posted 01/22/12 11:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting maxash0775:

Follow up question. When they rate the potential HP on these turbos, is that to the motor, or at the wheels. Never really says, dont know if it is implied or Im just a noob.




You can take a look on the web and see what people have been able to achieve with the EVOIIIbig16G, there should be plenty of firsthand accounts and dyno results out there...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047322 posted 01/22/12 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Beaner:

You post a picture of a valve stem on the intake pipe and we are to assume the catch can was connected to it?




You should know from my post that’s right above your post. And if you boost test your car with a valve stem that’s all on you. I block everything off and use a smoke/air machine like it should be done but to each its own.

Quoting turbowop:

Quoting DDM:

Dude.. nothing was directed to you before my previous post. You just blew a fuse because i disagreed with someone . There is a difference between taking someones side and telling someone to "fack off"




I "blew a fuse" because you're polluting this forum with your misinformation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding the turbo oil from the head. And I'm not taking anybody's side here. I'm just trying to keep anybody else looking for good info on this forum from thinking they need to do something that isn't necessary.



Next time try to put in a reasonable argument so people can see that you are probably correct and im crazy and move on instead of “im doing it wrong? Fack off!” And its not misinformation because all MHI turbos have restrictors on them so the extra pressure wouldn’t hurt but the lack of might be a huge problem especially how 99% of us overboost the turbos as it is.

Quoting Alpha Male:



You need to back pedal and put it in a lower gear bud,

I commended you in another thread for removing your galant from the hands of an idiot.

However that doesn't give you free reign to start spouting off like you're the end-all, be-all of automotive knowledge.

The head feed, commonly referred to as "gravity feed" is completely fine for many turbos on the market. the OFH feed mod is of no real importance on most cars/turbos.

Namely those who remove their balance shafts and greatly increase the pressure at the OFH unless porting the relieve valve opening, they will blow some turbo seals with a quickness.

Lets take a look at the turbo oil feed on the 2g, coupled with the T25 I always thought it was a tactic to keep mechanics in a job, higher pressure oil line, combined with a smaller, harder working turbo = lots of dead t25's out there.

Either feed line will work if installed properly and everything else is up to par. Now give it a rest before i put the chicago sector of the GVR4 mafia on your ass.



I am actually very calm and the only reason I made the reply is because the previous poster told me to “fack off”. I hate when im trying to post up something that I think is helpful and then instead of having a reasonable discussion I get a fack off newb post. Iike I said all mhi turbos have restictors built in. I have seen and owned a few t25’s with 150k miles on them.

Quoting DynastyLCD:

Quoting DDM:

I dont care what turbo you run its way better pressure to feed it off there then the head. What am i explaining this to a bunch of kids?




ive got to add one minor detail, possibly irrelevant, and from a neutral standpoint (that could be nit-picking....)

you dont care what turbo you run... its way better to feed from OFH is the jist of what i got out of that above quote.

so.... if the OP decided to run a BB turbo, that requires 15 psi or so of oil pressure, is it still better to feed from the OFH?

(no.)



Yes. And then you use an inline restrictor depending on what turbo you are running. Some turbos like Garret ball bearing also come with a built in restrictor.



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Edited by DDM (01/22/12 11:48 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047330 posted 01/22/12 11:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
All of this arguing stems from this statement:

Quote:

If you use the oem oil line the turbo doesn't get enough for some reason. I give you a year before the turbo start developing play.




This is pure and blatant misinformation, and the reason why I responded the way I did. Nobody's turbos are going to start developing play due to using the factory oil feed lines. If this is the way you want to present your "facts", perhaps you should be the one trying to put in more reasonable arguments. Much like your posts in the snow tires thread where your response regarding narrower tires was "they sucked". Awesome review, Mr. ASE.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047331 posted 01/22/12 11:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DDM:

I hate when im trying to post up something that I think is helpful and then instead...




My dad always told me that if I didn't know the answer to say "I don't know", rather than pretend like I did and guess.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047349 posted 01/23/12 12:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So I guess I will go with the used evo big 16g since it flows a little better than the regular big 16g.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047364 posted 01/23/12 02:18 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting DDM:

You should know from my post that’s right above your post. And if you boost test your car with a valve stem that’s all on you. I block everything off and use a smoke/air machine like it should be done but to each its own.



The post that had a sentence started with a plus sign? I figured there was an equally useless picture you forgot to attach with it. We're talking about how to feed a 16g and out of nowhere you're talking about valve stems on intake pipes then backtracking on what was connected to it. You bought a modded 20 year old turbo car and found weird shit? No way.

My air machine is a bike pump hooked up to a valve stem. The only smoke machine I own is a ROOR. Both get the job done perfectly.

Happy boosting.

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Quoting Beaner:

The only smoke machine I own is a ROOR...

Happy boosting.






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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1047377 posted 01/23/12 05:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting DDM:

Quoting Alpha Male:

someone get the beating stick out and put these newbs back in line. misinformation is BAD.




Explain to me how that's misinformation? Show me something anywhere where it sais its better to use the stock turbo feed line over a braided from the ofh. i to you because of your post count!

There is a reason why mitsu decided to put the oil feed line on the 2g on the filter housing. I dont care what turbo you run its way better pressure to feed it off there then the head. What am i explaining this to a bunch of kids? Jeez call any performance shop and ask them which is better? Im not saying its necessary. But you should consider it!



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