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93 Eagle Summit Wagon AWD project


Leon_R
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028279 posted 10/23/11 11:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So, it isn't a GVR4, but is pretty close (now) and I did find out on this forum, back in '08 (when I had my last GVR4).

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I drove this wagon for 2 years, did some minor mods (EVO8 suspension, EVO3 radiator), but finally my clutch let go and I started the swap project. It took 18 month of on a off work, but I am finally done!

The mods:

Race block with forged pisons/rods
Rebuilt heads w/HKS 272 cams
Magnus Intake
Switzer COP ignition
2G DSM ECU with V3 ECM Link (running SD)
1G IRC race core FMIC with custom plumbing
Summit 5sp tranny with 4 spider center diff and DSM viscous coupling.
DSM ACT 2600 w/street disc and ACT FW

There were a ton of other other mods to make it all work

For now, I am runing 14b turbo and pump gas. Which gave me best et of 12.44 @106.6

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Edited by Leon_R (10/24/11 12:12 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028282 posted 10/23/11 11:26 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
can we see the pics, this is badass



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028290 posted 10/23/11 11:39 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
'tis also my desire.. to gaze upon the turbo summit goodness... verily I beseech thee!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028335 posted 10/24/11 01:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I need to take some more under the hood photos. Right now, I can offer a video of my 13.6 run, which was done on stock exhaust and just 16psi! Car's next pass was 13.3 with a bit more boost. 12.4 came a week later and was through a 3" exhaust cutout, more boost and fixed boost leaks.

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I will post more later.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028376 posted 10/24/11 06:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
im buying a 92 expo sp (7passenger wagan) awd manual 5 speed next week and cant wait, my plan is to swap over stock galant vr4 engine, tranny and transfer case, not sure to much about the swap and what it entails, is it pretty basic, use a 1g ecu and harness and use expos harness where necessary?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028387 posted 10/24/11 08:51 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
'92 is an interesting year, it uses 1G style motor mounts and a 6 bolt 2.4 motor. Good for reusing GVR4/1G parts and 2.4 block is worth more than the 7 bolts .

As for wiring, it is a PITA (since they came with distributor engine). I choose the tough way to do this: I re-pinned ALL the wires to match a 2G DSM. At first glance, it seemed easy (only 30% of pins had to be changed), but dove into it, I discovered some nasty surprises:

- TPS looked like 2G, but was actually reversed in its operation!
- MPI relay looked identical to a 2G but was wired differently! That effected MPI logic, which resulted in ECU being reset to base settings every time it was shut off.
- tach will not run off DSM signal (I swapped in DSM tach) but that has to be done anyway.

I do have a complete 2G/Summit pinout diagram that I will share with DSM community. But... having completed the swap this way, even with my spreadsheet, I would still recommend taking off the dashboard and doing a complete harness swap!

Not removing a dash was one of my motivations to chose the repining approach. But the joke might me on me, because it looks like a just might have a leaky heater core



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028496 posted 10/24/11 05:02 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
have you seen dude that turb'od his 64 using stock distributor?, he used a 4g15 distr. had it machined to match our cas and bolted it on, used his stock ecu. is this the best route to go. if you did it again what would you do.? use the 1g t/e/l harness to 1g t/e/l ecu and thats all?,it sounds easy but i know its not gonna be.do i need a galant transfer case and tranny?


Edited by omertaitalia (10/24/11 05:05 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028510 posted 10/24/11 05:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I would definitely go with a DSM harness or... do a pinout like what I did. Whatever it takes to use a DSM ECU with DSM Link! It is just a superior tuning device!

You can use ether the van or the GVR4 tranny, doesn't really matter. And t-case is identical between the two. Right down to the yoke recall



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028519 posted 10/24/11 06:18 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok thats good to know, guess ill be into some wires this winter fawk it, im ready to have this van going, picking it up wed. ill post pics when she in my yard.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028521 posted 10/24/11 06:21 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
also i already have a safc/keydiver chip for the van, gonna go link speed density setup on the gvr4 eventually and keep the van at a modest 15psi



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1028735 posted 10/25/11 01:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
awesome!!!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1029214 posted 10/26/11 05:20 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1029304 posted 10/26/11 11:06 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
just got my new expo home, pics tommorow.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1029420 posted 10/27/11 02:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      



gvr4 picture uploading was lagging hard, here she is, 92 expo sp, awd manual, she is a basic model with really no options, has no abs,no sunroof,no power windows. im gonna keep the ac hopefully but well see once i get into wires.


Edited by omertaitalia (10/27/11 03:03 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1029740 posted 10/28/11 04:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Looking nice!

I know you PMed me about making the tach working, but I prefer to respond in my thread, so that everyone can see it.

I found the van tach wire and tried putting DSM tach signal into it. I saw no reaction! I found it strange, because some people report at least a little "jerk" of the niddle, but I saw NOTHING. I read on 4G61t.org that some people swapped-in DSM tack into the cluster, but they left no instructions of how to do it. So I went into this job under the understanding that it can be done, so it was only the matter of figuring out how.

First, I took apart a spare DSM cluster and removed the tack and its.
Then, I toop apart my Summit cluster and took out its tach. The two were NOTHING alike! Here is what I did:

I cut the face of DSM tach to fit properly into Summit cluter.
Next, I took Summit tack front mouting bracket (the clear plastic one) and drilled new holes for DSM tach.
Next, I mounted DSM tach onto the Summit tack mounting bracket. Now, the problem with this bracket, is that it doesn't actually keep it on place. There are no screws that go through this bracket! The only thing it does is locates the tack. So I used some black RVT to hold everything in place. I put generous amount of RTV on the back of the cluster, so that is what is keeping everything in place.

Electrically, I made three short wires to make three connections (Positive, Negative and Tach signal). You also have to find a spot to moutn the PC board, that wasn't very difficult.

All of this will make more sense, as you are doing it



Leon
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96 Mitsu Eclipse Spyder GSX
80 Triumph TR7 GST (4G63 transplant)


Edited by Leon_R (10/28/11 08:02 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1029748 posted 10/28/11 05:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ok thanks for the info, i had a feeling i was gonna need to do sumin like that, just got back from pick n pull and hit gold on a 93 expo there, got everything that was missing or nasty replaced in my expo now.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1031459 posted 11/05/11 07:14 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting omertaitalia:




gvr4 picture uploading was lagging hard, here she is, 92 expo sp, awd manual, she is a basic model with really no options, has no abs,no sunroof,no power windows. im gonna keep the ac hopefully but well see once i get into wires.




It looks like it's in great shape and mine's twin! Great candidate for a swap!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1031466 posted 11/05/11 08:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
ya im excited about it, just got another stock radio from a 93 expo at the junkyard with a aux input, gonna hopefully start getting into her next month. mine has grey interior, ive seen biege and gray, yours is the only one ive seen with blue. wonder if theres a way to find out production numbers of awd 5 speed expos in 92 like hertz has done with the gvr4



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1031946 posted 11/07/11 05:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So, Jim, when are you staring your swap project?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032482 posted 11/09/11 08:17 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Lol soon I hope. I like too many types of cars though. I just picked this up for hopefully a nice summer cruiser next year.



Were the scales open when you went I would love to know what that thing weighs in at. My 2G was 3050 without me in it.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032492 posted 11/09/11 09:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
nothing to dislike about those turbo rotary's, i will always be a fan.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032541 posted 11/10/11 12:26 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
If you want to weigh your car, you need to go to NED on the weekend . That was the main reason why I attended last Import wars. My van was 3010lbs.

My guess is that your wagon is 100-150 lbs heavier.

Nice RX7! Though I would prefer a droptop



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032546 posted 11/10/11 12:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
what does the wieght on your vin sticker state?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032548 posted 11/10/11 12:43 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Leon_R:

If you want to weigh your car, you need to go to NED on the weekend . That was the main reason why I attended last Import wars. My van was 3010lbs.

My guess is that your wagon is 100-150 lbs heavier.




I weighed mine on a Wednesday street night. When I went the next Friday though the scale was closed. I can't believe that little thing only weighs 40lbs less than the 2G. My van must be a porker.

Quoting Leon_R:


Nice RX7! Though I would prefer a droptop




Good thing you don't have to drive it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1032559 posted 11/10/11 01:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting omertaitalia:

what does the wieght on your vin sticker state?




I am not sure, not that it matters, that is your total, loaded weight (5/7 passengers, luggage, full tank).

Jim, they almost never leave scale open on Wed. night. Must have been a left over from the track rental from the afternoon.



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