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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866671 posted 01/19/10 10:55 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Im gonna get some camber plates and it looks like I have a choice between tein or hotbits. The thing is, the hotbits plates will be ~50 bucks more. Are they worth that much more? I really like the idea of supporting a smaller, more local company but $50 bucks is quite a bit more expensive. Any input is appreciated.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866672 posted 01/19/10 11:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I think the Tein plates are Aluminum, aren't they? The Hotbits I have are steel. That doesn't really say much about durability without knowing the thicknesses but I have seen bent up Cusco aluminum plates.

$50 is a lot of money....



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866673 posted 01/19/10 11:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Save $50 and get the Teins. Hotbits coilovers are better, but the top plate differences between the two brands are negligible, IMO.

*edit*

Jepherz beat me to the reply and I didn't realize the Hotbits top plates were steel. That said, my Tein plates are doing well after seven years and I can't say I've ever seen a set that were bent due to being aluminum.



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Edited by turbowop (01/19/10 11:08 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866688 posted 01/19/10 12:05 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jepherz:

$50 is a lot of money....




I don't know if that was sarcasm or not... How much adjustment is possible with the hotbits. How much with the teins?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866694 posted 01/19/10 12:23 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The Teins on my car allow for -2° camber. Camber bolts can be used to add additional negative camber as I've done to get about -2.4°.



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Edited by turbowop (01/19/10 12:24 PM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866699 posted 01/19/10 12:31 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Whoodoo:

Quoting jepherz:

$50 is a lot of money....




I don't know if that was sarcasm or not... How much adjustment is possible with the hotbits. How much with the teins?




Nope, not sarcasm. $50 is a lot of money when you're talking about an additional 50% cost. I think in terms of adjust ability, they are going to be about the same.

I've never heard of anyone having any bending issues with the teins, and like I said, I only saw it in cuscos. I'd personally get the Teins if I were you.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866791 posted 01/19/10 05:16 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I've had both.

The tiens look better but apart from that it is much of a muchness.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866914 posted 01/20/10 03:34 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have tein on one of my other galants and they are great. No problems



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866916 posted 01/20/10 03:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hi,

Well i tossed up on the thought of both of the questioned suspension set ups.

And i ended up buying BC Coilovers and I am so so happy with them the handiling is outstanding
I believe they are better than Tein and Hotbits --- Have a look at them you wont be dissapointed !!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866939 posted 01/20/10 09:23 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Im not talking about a whole coilover setup, just the front camber plates. I will be running evo struts and springs and will need to have camber adjustment when I either cut the front springs or get some espelirs. Does BC sell camber plates?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866949 posted 01/20/10 10:04 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jasonvr4:

Hi,

Well i tossed up on the thought of both of the questioned suspension set ups.

And i ended up buying BC Coilovers and I am so so happy with them the handiling is outstanding
I believe they are better than Tein and Hotbits --- Have a look at them you wont be dissapointed !!

Jasonvr4
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What exactly makes you say they are better than Hotbits or Teins?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866961 posted 01/20/10 10:25 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The price is the only thing I would say would be better.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 866979 posted 01/20/10 12:01 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
FWIW you can also get GVR-4 specific KSport camber plates. Also, Ground-Control makes a really nice looking DSM camber plate that has four slotted bolt holes for caster adjustability. I've spoken with their tech guy who assures me that they also work on the E39A chassis with the sacrifice that you have to use up some of the caster "room" in order to get the bolts to fit our elliptical bolt pattern.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867282 posted 01/21/10 01:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jasonvr4:

Hi,

Well i tossed up on the thought of both of the questioned suspension set ups.

And i ended up buying BC Coilovers and I am so so happy with them the handiling is outstanding
I believe they are better than Tein and Hotbits --- Have a look at them you wont be dissapointed !!

Jasonvr4
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Looks dont mean squat to me. valveing and spring matching are the biggest things. Jap tend to ramp there rebound and damping up so you get more of a jaring feeling out of it. While the hot bit that are on my car fell nice and smooth, also at the same time you can crank up the adjustment on them and they handle a hell of alot better than teins and ksports. Ive driven all three setups at thunderhill and i will say again hotbit all the way.

On to the camper plates i can get -3 degrees out of my hotbit camber plates. More camber is good on a front heavy car like ours. also tire size makes a diffrence on how much camber you want to run.
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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867331 posted 01/21/10 04:52 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting turbowop:

The Teins on my car allow for -2° camber. Camber bolts can be used to add additional negative camber as I've done to get about -2.4°.




Wop, I might not remember this right but I think I've gotten up to around -3.5deg of camber on my Tein plates a while ago without using any camber bolt.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867353 posted 01/21/10 06:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I don't know how. Mine are maxed out.

Notice that the center bearing is as far in as it will go:




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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867406 posted 01/21/10 10:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ Sorry for the off-topic post but where'd you get that strut tower brace?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867413 posted 01/21/10 11:08 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
It's just a Cusco bar. I bought it used and the end brackets were in pretty rough shape, so I had them powdercoated to match the valve cover.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 867817 posted 01/23/10 11:27 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Now that is one clean engine bay!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869373 posted 01/28/10 12:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
So I was looking around and trying to compare the available camber plates for our e39a's and apparently Tein has invented a new material... Their mounts are made from 'Ultra Duraluminum A2017S-4'. What the hell is that? If you google it, the only hits you get are tein related. Anyone know what they hell this stuff is? How have all your tein mounts been holding up?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869375 posted 01/28/10 12:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting AWDnot2:

Now that is one clean engine bay!




He loves to show off.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869427 posted 01/28/10 06:40 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting Whoodoo:

So I was looking around and trying to compare the available camber plates for our e39a's and apparently Tein has invented a new material... Their mounts are made from 'Ultra Duraluminum A2017S-4'. What the hell is that? If you google it, the only hits you get are tein related. Anyone know what they hell this stuff is? How have all your tein mounts been holding up?




It's marketing. They hold up fine, regardless of what Tein calls the material.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869428 posted 01/28/10 06:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting JB:

Quoting AWDnot2:

Now that is one clean engine bay!




He loves to show off.




I needed a quick pic of the camber plate that showed where it was in its adjustment range. Can I halp it if the car is clean?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 869479 posted 01/28/10 10:59 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Don't worry mark, we all know 1051 is the best

Can anyone tell me exactly what its made of? I'd really like to be able to compare these camber plates apples to apples. I am leaning towards the Ksports because they are a lot cheaper than the rest. Here's the breakdown as of right now: Hotbits: $275, Tein: $230, Ksport: $145.

The Hotbits are all steel, which means they are probably worse off in the list because they will be heaviest; not by much, but it looks like weight and cost are the only determining factors in the line-up.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 870808 posted 02/03/10 03:33 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
Quoting turbowop:

Quoting Whoodoo:

So I was looking around and trying to compare the available camber plates for our e39a's and apparently Tein has invented a new material... Their mounts are made from 'Ultra Duraluminum A2017S-4'. What the hell is that? If you google it, the only hits you get are tein related. Anyone know what they hell this stuff is? How have all your tein mounts been holding up?




It's marketing. They hold up fine, regardless of what Tein calls the material.




According to wikipedia, duralumin is an Al-Cu alloy. It doesn't have any information on A2017S-4 specifically, but because its a copper alloy, its more susceptible to corrosion... in case anyone cared.



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