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Re: E74A (prototype?)-E84A VR4


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929425 posted 09/09/10 05:09 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
All two cars are hardcore JDM.
I know the life E84A, but I don't know anything about the E74A. I must have escaped from crushing as fuel said before.
I am very happy and very proud about having this kind of car.
Until some ninjas come to kill me from japan and take the car
Here in Europe, I never seen E84A VR4 with LHD. It can happen that it was available in some dealers, but nobody buy them.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929440 posted 09/09/10 07:57 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Guys, I have to start asking questions.

So, I have my daily drive car, a Dynamic4 E39 Galant.
I want to put the 6A12TT+W5M33 to it.
We have looked the cars with my mechanic, he said that it is possible, but with lot of money and lot of work.
So, if anyone has any experience about this, please share with me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929472 posted 09/09/10 09:51 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Honestly, i wouldn't do it...

The 4G63 has way more potential than the 6a12tt.
If you wan't a V6 go with the 6a13tt, same size...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929520 posted 09/09/10 01:28 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I love the sound of 6A12 and the way it goes.
I try many 4G63T, small turbo, big turbo, it goes well, but only 4 cylinder, not so lovely sound, not so smooth, and always has problems (but I think 4G63 is a very long-life engine, no doubt about it, but here in Hungary, every friend of mine has problems because of turbocharging the 4 cylinder engine. The 6A12TT is factory default 240HP, enough for me now, later small changes and 300HP will be good in a long-term use).
6A13 won't rev that fast as the smaller 2.0L V6.
Everybody has 4G63T, you can buy parts for it almost every corner shops
It is booooring and too easy. And not close that smooth, like the V6. 6A13 is 180 degree turned, won't fit in 6G or 7G.
This is why I want to keep the 6A12.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929640 posted 09/09/10 07:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I understand that you like the Sound, believe me i know...

But 300Hp is REALLY the upper limit for the stock engine, it's not build that strong.
And the 6a13 Fits in the 7G Galant, it was even sold, it was called the E88A.
Few of those have been sold, so you just need the front of a 8G.
Think most will fit without too much hassle.

I got a folder flying around somewhere here where even the E88A was in.

But keep us posted, very interesting.
Already on clubvr4 ? Many info there on the newer Galant VR4's

Regards,

Raymond

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929651 posted 09/09/10 07:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
^^ The E88A was the 6G73 2.5L, it was only 160hp or thereabouts. The 6A13 didn't even exist until the 1996+ 8th gen Galant.

One thing to mention, the 6A12 has just one mount on the cambelt side of the engine and the other two mounts on the gearbox, and in the 7G and other cars (ie 91+ Mirage/Lancer etc) the front to rear crossmember is off to the one side to suit. With the 6G 4G63 having three mounts on the motor and just one on the gearbox the two roll stopper mounts will have to be fabricated or re-engineered somehow. The 6A12 block just doesn't have the provisions on the side for roll stop engine mounts to attach to. Given the E39A has two smaller front to rear support members instead of the FWD E33A having one large centrally mounted, perhaps you could shift along the front radiator side roll stopper mount further down the front crossmember beam, and if there is room on the rear steering rack crossmember beam attach the gearbox roll stopper mount there too. You'll be running quite tight for room for the rear turbo and downpipe between the block, rear crossmember and the driveshaft whereas the 7G was designed from the beginning to have the turbo and downpipe mounted there and there is a bit more room with a smaller rear crossmember etc.

I do like the sound of the 6A12 especially the MIVEC variants which happily spin up to 8000rpm, but if I were to put a V6 into the 6G it would have to be the 6G72, as the 6G72 came fitted to a number of 5th gen Galants and as the 6G shares almost all of its underpinnings/chassis with the 5G, you could theoretically mount a 6G72 (SOHC at least) into the 6G with factory mounts. Fitting a DOHC 6G72 might require massaging of the firewall and again perhaps a re-routed downpipe (or just one big single turbo mounted up front).



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929667 posted 09/09/10 08:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Thanks for clearing that up, looks the same though...
In the folder i mean the 6g72 and the 6a13...

But never the less the 7 & 8 gen Galants share a whole lot of parts.

But then again, almost anything is possible...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929740 posted 09/10/10 12:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
The 6G73 and 6A13 are hardly alike - there is a clear difference in looks between a 6A12/13 and a 6G72/73, and even more distinct differences mechanically. It's basically like the difference between the 4G63 and the 4G92/93 series which eventually replaced the Sirius and Saturn family engines.

The world-spec 8G platform is heavily based on the 7G and they basically share 99% of the suspension components with some subtle changes. The USDM 8G however ditched the multi link front suspension (as did the USDM 2G Diamante) in favour of macpherson strut similar to the 6G, possibly because the 7G suspension created more troubles than what it was worth. The engine/gearbox is not really interchangeable between 7G and 8G because of the reversed orientation, and the rear diff was mounted differently within the rear subframe cradle (for 4WD models obviously). The body is quite different though and many key points are re-engineered with high tensile steel areas, Mitsubishi called it 'RISE' and the process was prevalent on most late 90s onwards models.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 929777 posted 09/10/10 03:40 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Nice comments guys. I have some info known already, but You mentioned lots of new stuff.
Here in hungary we have lots of 6G72 engined 7G-s, with 4WD 4WS. That cars are the same with the VR4, except the engine and ecu. Everything else is fully interchangeable. My first thought when I have the first VR4 was to put the 6A12 engine to a hungarian registered 4WD 4WS 7G, and throw that 6G72 as far as I can. I drove one once, 163HP here those cars, that V6 is a disaster. In my opinion. And no turbocharge can change my opinion on that engine.

I saw some info about 2000 mivec V6 with turbocharge in the "wild" countries like NZ or Australia. They are fxcking interesting and lovely mods. Those engines are a legend here, and we know only two mivec engine (cyborg 1.6 and FTO 2000 V6) here (except EVOs mivec).
My dream to have one 2000V6 mivec once in my life. I would probably fall in love with the sound and charasteristic.
In my 6G, rotated engine is not an option, lots of money and lots of work.
So, I decided to sell my E39, and register the VR4 here. The proto VR4, hmm, I don't know what can I do with her.
We have put the cables and pipes back, and we have done everything to start it (to see if there is any problem, wich gasket fails, etc.)
So, to ignition, everything fine, no check engine, and everything worked except power antenna and the side mirrors. The car has the switch for the mirrors to close and to open, but the mirrors aren't electronic, just the mirror plate adjusting. So, another question to look after.
The center console is a big question at all. The previous owner throw away the original player, or stereo, or what you call it. And now, there are ~20 connectors that we cannot connect. I will have to find that kind of stereo, or control panel, to operate those unique functions the car has. Any idea? The center monitor wanted to light up, but it lost the vertical control, so we only see a colored line in the display. And wow, it is CRT, not a TFT. Very good, if we can fix it, I will love it.
Then we try to start, but murphy laws get in, so we realized, that our battery is out of juice. Nice. But the engine was turned nicely, and no errors at all.
So we will try tomorrow afternoon again.
And then, I have to find a two-place service garage to rip apart my two VR4s and decide wich parts are in better condition and wich are in not-so-good, and build up one VR4 that I will keep and register.
Then I am afraid, that I have to sell the proto VR4, because I will need a lots of money for further operations and registering process.
Fxcking country and fxcking laws, I very hate them.
I am thinking about to move abroad soon, and I have Nz in my mind, my father was there once, and he fall in love with NZ. Worth a try, You are good guys.

If there is any progress, I willpost it!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 931457 posted 09/15/10 11:35 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have just received an e-mail from an EU Mitsubishi Customer service about the car.
They said, that the vehicle is unknown to their system. Wow, they looked CAPS.
Nice.
They want to know the exact position of the vehicle, to send out a technical guy for collecting some information.
I have sent my answer, I am waiting for reply.
I am curious what they can do about it.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 931571 posted 09/15/10 03:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Now they will take your car and crush it because it probably was not supposed to ever be sold to the public.

Hope not though.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 931602 posted 09/15/10 06:42 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Of course, they will never find it, if I want so.
I try my best, thanks for Your advice.
But I am very curious what kind of technician will come to see the car, and what will he say...Probably some "Hmm..." and "Interesting.". Than the usual "We will contact You soon".
I won't let them to take away my little car. I have payed for it, and I want to restore it in it's nearly original condition. This method will be the best for everyone.
They have to send the ninjas if they want to crush my car

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 933017 posted 09/20/10 04:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
We tried to start the car. Sadly, we realized, that the fuel pump was dry for too long time, and have stuck, or rusted.
Now, I gave up trying to start this proto. I will focus to build a very good engine im my other car, register and drive it as I can.
If you have any suggestion, please share me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957961 posted 12/16/10 06:05 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hello guys.
I was busy for some months, but now we have a big garage, so I can continue working on my VR4s.
Here are some pictures.
I have a very, very important question.
The user, who answers, what kind of turbo is this, gets a free candy.
turbo1
turbo2

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957962 posted 12/16/10 06:06 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Ooops, almost forgot.
I'm looking for some stuff for E74A VR4.
I need the factory standard car audio component.
It is the main unit in the dashboard, under that huge TV screen.
I have absolute no info or picture what it looks like.
As you see, my E74A is a bit of special, fully loaded with 10 speaker sound system, satnav, CD-changer, amp, TV-tuner, etc.
I have all kind of things already, but that main unit is missing, as you see in the pictures.
And, as I asked 2 posts before, please share some info about this car, because we don't know anything about this car.

Manufactured late 1991. All the "engineering sample" stickers has 1991.06-1991.12 dates on them.
If it's GTO turbos, it will be funny.
I'm looking forward to the weekend, when we will take my other proper VR4 apart, and I will compare those turbos side to side.

Some known differences:
VIN number cannot listed on caps or ASA
the turbo piping looks different
Turbos are different
No 4WS
much more lighter dashboard light (not yellowish, it's cool white-green.ish)
Lots of stuff inside-tvtuner, cd charger, amp, 10 speaker sound system, satnav, center console display, and missing head unit, that I'm looking for.
In the driver door, unknown electrical unit found
In the back, over the trunk (we call it hat-holder) it has something equipment that we don't know what is it for...
Light sensor in the top of the dash, don't know what it is for
Behind the glovebox, big red sign of high voltage, and electric hazard stuff, don't really know what it is, in my other VR4 we can't find any similar...
Different body kit
Etc.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957971 posted 12/16/10 07:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Turbo looks like a 13g to me.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957988 posted 12/16/10 09:27 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
click click click



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 957992 posted 12/16/10 09:50 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
That Galant was nice.
The chrome stuff around the windshield and the side windows...
And it has the 2000 V6 with proper 170PS.
But not VR4
The turbo isn't 13G.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958125 posted 12/16/10 08:12 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, i know it's not a 9b, or any other B series. It's definitely a G series. I'd venture another guess and say it's a 15g, but there's no way it is larger than that. I would say 14g, but i'm pretty sure that thing died out with the StarQuest era of mitsu cars.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958175 posted 12/17/10 12:33 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Well, considering how the rest of the car should not exist... your turbos don't seem to exist either!

MD181852 is the downpipe for the 'right' or front turbo. There is a number cast into the exhaust outlet on the first photo, which appears to be 181851, or MD181851 if it were a part number. But this doesn't seem to exist either.

The 49193-29501 is an identification number for the complete turbo unit. It should be a Mitsubishi turbo based on the 4xxxx number but the massive list of turbos I have access too doesn't even go to 49193!

49124- TC15
49127- TD15
49129- TF15
49130- TD02
49131- TD03
49132- TD09
49134- TF08
49135- TF035
49160- 4MD
49161- 4HD
49162- 4LE
49163- 4LF
49166- 3LM
49167- 5MF
49168- TC05
49169- TC06
49170- TC03
49171- TC04
49173- TD025
49174- TD08
49175- TD07
49177- TD04
49178- TD05H
49179- TD06
49181- TD10
49182- TD13
49183- TE04H
49184- TE05
49185- TE06H
49186- TF07
49187- TD07S
49188- TD08H
49189- TD04H

After a bit more searching I stand corrected. I've found a mention of 49193 on a Suzuki Alto website. 49193-25302 is listed between the TF035 (49135-03110) and the TF035H (49495-60701). It kind of looks like your turbo...




Can only guess the light sensor is for automatic headlight activation?

This car is full of mysteries!

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958228 posted 12/17/10 10:12 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
This car is just full of cool, and 'What ifs' Alot of tech for a '01 build car

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958392 posted 12/18/10 04:48 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
the light sensor is on the production model, it basically just makes sure the clock/climate control don't dim when it's daylight and you have your headlights on.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 958426 posted 12/18/10 12:58 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yeah!
Thats useful!
Thanks, one checked!
Next question: the clutch pedal is too easy to operate, and sometimes it pushes itself in, because of the huge amount of "servo" power. All clutch assembly is new. The easy operation is not a big problem, but sometimes I find the pedal pressed, when I get in the car. It may become dangeorus, when it go in while driving...

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 962651 posted 01/10/11 07:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Hi everybody.
I got new pics about the E74A engine.
The conrod bearings have some wear, but the crank and the cylinder heads are beutiful. The block has a minor scratch in the 3. cylinder.
Check them out.
The car in the last two pictures is my new ride. I just bought it to sale one of the VR4 engines that I have in its engine bay. E88A, 2500cc V6 DOHC 6G73 4WD 4WS, it is the same as E84A except the engine.
















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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 968056 posted 02/06/11 06:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post   
My first vids about my VR4.
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