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1badgvr4

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Well i've been thinking about which way I want to take my gvr4 when I get home and as I was looking at groug B rally videos it dawned on me to do a complete exact replica of the wrc vr4. I have never seen it done nor do I know where I would get the parts but I will get it done. Does anybody have info or can point me in the direction of what I need. Please post your opinions.
 

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Have fun with that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/uhh.gif If you really want to make an exact replica down to the rollcage, fuel cell, brakes, coilovers, rally transmission, etc, unobtanium RalliArt parts you're going to need to raise one hell of a lot of money.
 

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I knew I would get the /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/uhh.gif's but seriously I wonder how close you could get?
 

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I don't doubt that you could make one that looks the part without too much issue. A couple of Philippines guys have replicas also. I think if you want it ultra accurate, it would be pretty tough.
 
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I don't think Mark is really taking the piss that much, I think the issue really is what you want the car to be at the end of the day. In most cases, a 'replica' is something that looks the part without necessarily being as mechanically capable. You could therefore get yourself a load of pictures of a real VR4 rally car of the era and get parts fabricated to just 'look' authentic. I think that what Mark is saying however is that building a copy of a FACTORY rally car costs a phenomenal amount of money. Motorsports dictate the technology that finds its way into production cars 10 years down the road and some is so cutting edge and difficult to maintain that it never finds its way into production. The fact that you are talking about a car built 20 years ago does not necessarily mean that it will be any more affordable to re-engineer now, by virtue of the fact that some parts will already be antiques in motorsport terms.

Any competition car is also a pretty uncomfortable place to spend your time if it's a daily driver. So are you intending to really make it authentic in the cockpit. To give you an idea of a good starting point you'll want an authentic JDM RS VR4, RHD, no 4WS, 4-bolt rear, non ABS with a mechanical rear LSD and appropriate axles/cups.

There is stuff you can find. There have been Ralliart Magnesium wheels for sale on here before, I believe Alex (Bimmubishi) has authentic Ralliart dogboxes for sale.

The other thing to consider is that because technology has evolved. Even if you did this, your authentic rally car would probably have less power, handle worse and spool slower than something built with modern components.
 
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Mrgravel is the ideal person to contact as his car is a works railliart car. Hovever that said there are a hundred and on evoloutions of all the works components as the cars got a beating a road car cannot comprehend, hence as stuff broke it got upgraded by the works team.

He runs a mitsubishi gearcase. the works cars ran a full x-trac system, with VW type birfield joints throughout.

Suspension was by kayaba and then proflex and you need to think of struts built into huge alloy knuckles, nonstandard subframes and engine mounts, and huge aircraft rod ends for balljoints.

The brakes are also a massive difference AP finned calipers, huge rotors and hubs.. basically there ain't much left stock.

The body is probably the easiest bit to copy, but the welding from ralliart looks like the shell needed to be on test yesterday..

Fuel cell and cage and all the fire shielding are impressive to see and follow of logic, as is the amount of shell prep befor the car was painted.. think 5mm stitch welds on EVERY seam. The gusset under the rear seat to allow you to quickly drop the rear diff, etc...

In short it is a fabulous functional tool, and very impressive to look at, but prettying it up cost time that competition teams did not have.

I posted the homologation papers to the site a while back, thats a good place to start doing the research.

Rich
 

i did this with $25 worth of spray paint, three days, and a pic i found on google. surprisingly enough it looks a lot better in person.
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Quoting SleepinGVR4:
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Fuel cell is not right to the works cars, nor is the cage. On the works cars its up into the trunk so rocks and stuff fying under the car can not catch it.

Rich
 

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Here's a few pictures of the WRC car RRE or road race motorpsorts had in their garage when I visited sometime ago. I cannot remember the exact conversation I shared with Robert about the car other than it was a JDM model. Either way hope this helps.









 
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Easier option is to simply go Group N (or is it Group A now days?) - essentially a stock vehicle with roll cage & rally tires, plus some other safety features.
 




Im very lucky i actually own the real deal,to be fair you would struggle to build a works spec car but you could get fairly close,40 man hours go into welding the shell alone,then theres the double floor skin and cage to be fitted,and thats from an acid dipped bear shell,if you have time and money you can do it,or you could allways buy mine which is ready to go with history for an undisclosed sum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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Wait. mrgravel = J14 MRE? Holy sh*t.

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Small world. I've been using a shot of your car in the banner on my website for more than a year now. @fastestcat on Twitter told me about you. Heard the car was in the shop recently after an off. Sorry to hear that.

Inspirational, sir. Now that I know where to find you, I'm sure I'll have some questions for you down the road. I'm just now getting started stripping the shell on my would-be rally Galant. Won't go so far as acid bath, but will have a first rate cage installed (by our own kcpaz), seam welded unibody, reinforced floor, and as many of the proper rally bits as I can get my hands on.

To the OP, with regards to doing a replica, why not just borrow styling queues from the WRC car? See about finding the non-USDM bumpers, get the same paint job, but save yourself the $40K+ that it would take to accurately duplicate that works car.

There's the rattle can impostor posted in this thread. There's also the OneLap car you can find pictures of elsewhere around here. Not to mention my friend Mustafa's open class GVR4, done in very similar fashion.

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There's also some lesser known Galant rally liveries if you look hard enough. I think that Mirage site has a bunch of old JDM magazines which have pictures. There's the black and red Advan car, one that's similar to the above pics, but with orange and yellow, and I'm thinking about being different and painting mine up to look like a Mitsubishi A6M Zero fighter plane.

It's hard enough to prep a car for rally. It takes countless hours and piles of cash. Would be a crying shame to see someone make the investment and then not actually rally.

Reminds me, is Larry Parker's Galant still for sale? Might be time to check the rally classifieds...
 

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Quoting RedTwo:
Easier option is to simply go Group N (or is it Group A now days?) - essentially a stock vehicle with roll cage & rally tires, plus some other safety features.


Group A is modified works cars, group n is "production cars" and group b was up to 1986 or 7 was for monumental works one offs like the lancia 037 and delta s4, mg metro 6r4's ford rs200 audi s4 quattros, pug 205 t16s and lots of other cars that never quite got out of development in time like the rs1700t escort, and the 4wd starion. loads are now raced in rallycross here, and a guy called Will Gollop raced one of the coolest looking group b cars ever :


Anyway.. back on topic.

The homologation papers uploaded are for group a and in the back group n.

rich
 

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Quoting mrgravel:

Im very lucky i actually own the real deal,to be fair you would struggle to build a works spec car but you could get fairly close,40 man hours go into welding the shell alone,then theres the double floor skin and cage to be fitted,and thats from an acid dipped bear shell,if you have time and money you can do it,or you could allways buy mine which is ready to go with history for an undisclosed sum /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Jealous!!

any chance of some more pics of it?


Erwin Weber won the European rally championship in a gvr4 with a similar paint scheme to the works cars, but with yellow replacing the blue (and, black instead of the green stripe) as seen in this video: link


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