Brunoboy
(Jesus Clips)
07/11/10 09:28 PM
E85

Whose running it, and what turbo and what power are you making? do we need to mod any lines to use it? Im thinking about having two different tunes.

4thStroke
(Spence knows tools)
07/11/10 09:37 PM
Re: E85

I made 557whp (dynojet) at 32psi with the injectors at 100% (FIC Bluemax 12500cc), there was more left in the rest of the setup. Fuel system consist of 2 inline 255s. Stock lines otherwise. The turbo is a DSM76 (FP bolt on HTA 3076R). I'll go for more power once I have the money to upgrade to FIC 2200cc (or whatever they are) injectors, Felpro head gasket, and L19s. The turbo is supposed to be good for 40psi.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
07/11/10 10:15 PM
Re: E85

From what ive seen around the DSM community.

Full fuel to rail kit
Huge injectors (dont quote me on this but e85 needs to be sprayed 20% more than gas or something)
Fuel Rail
FPR
255 FP.

Thats basics i think.


4thStroke
(Spence knows tools)
07/11/10 10:18 PM
Re: E85

I left out the FPR.

Besides the FPR and the dual Walbros, my system is stock (even a stock replacement fuel filter). You can make that power just fine, but it's never a bad idea to upgrade the lines so it isn't a question.

The fancy lines and fittings are not needed and my 1250s were maxed out before the rest of the system.


Brunoboy
(Jesus Clips)
07/11/10 10:23 PM
Re: E85

If i wanted only 350awhp can i do it with 880cc evo ix fuel pump, link 2g maf fmic and s16g?

4thStroke
(Spence knows tools)
07/11/10 10:28 PM
Re: E85

I made 430who with a Evo3 16G, so that should give you some reference, I would think the s16g would make 350whp on a well tuned setup. The 2g MAF should do fine, I made 500+whp without drive ability issues. I'm not sure what the 880s or the Evo 9 pump are good for on that setup.

Brunoboy
(Jesus Clips)
07/11/10 11:30 PM
Re: E85

I would think 880 cc on pump would be good enough for 350whp with the right turbo so it should do ok i assume

belize1334
(well bread and nobly conceived)
07/12/10 12:20 AM
Re: E85

The 880s will probably do it but I wouldn't count on the evo-ix pump. They're nice pumps but I maxed mine out with a set of 660s.

Tre3zy
(correct me if im rite...Wyldcarz been rolling hard for a long time)
07/12/10 03:13 AM
Re: E85

i thought you need a minimum of 1000cc injectors to run e85? correct me on this if im wrong....

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
07/12/10 03:24 AM
Re: E85

No 1000cc is not a minimum. You could still "Use" any injectors to run e85. I could of used stock on my old dsm. Doesnt mean it would work properly for the application. Just saying you need to rephrase that.

Bigger injectors are needed yes. If your running 550 now, on e85 you may need 770 ect. But i wouldnt say 1000cc is the min.

See what i said above, its like 20% more is needed than gas (to be sprayed that is). Its cheaper than 93 but requires a whole lot more. MPG = goodbye


brisvr4
(Oceania Distict Enforcer for the Galant VR4 Mafia)
07/12/10 04:00 AM
Re: E85

To get the corrected injector size you just need to multiply your current injector size by .670.
For instance, your 880's will behave more like 590's on E85.
That is a lot more than 20% extra in my book though.
Have a look here for more correct information E85page

BTW I am currently running 1450's on a single 255hp and stock lines with -6 from the filter to rail and -6 from rail to fpr. I see around 75% idc's @ 31psi on my 50 trim.


ZeroCharisma
(Newbie)
07/12/10 04:40 AM
Re: E85

I'm in the process of converting to E85. I've got a FP3575 turbo, dual bosch 044's, Magnus anodized fuel rail, fuelab FPR, just waiting on my FIC 2150's to finish the setup.

Tre3zy
(correct me if im rite...Wyldcarz been rolling hard for a long time)
07/12/10 08:48 AM
Re: E85

oh cool thnx for the info..... ^ damn 2150's? i heard those are a lil bit better for idling purposes.... got a friend that just got finish getting a tune with those injectors and he said the car idled better with those versus 1250

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
07/12/10 02:16 PM
Re: E85

Quoting ZeroCharisma:

I'm in the process of converting to E85. I've got a FP3575 turbo, dual bosch 044's, Magnus anodized fuel rail, fuelab FPR, just waiting on my FIC 2150's to finish the setup.




You are good for about 700whp on -6an/stock fuel lines, and a single bosch 044.

1350cc injectors are good for about 600-630whp on e.

The 2150's idle awesome. They are the best injector I have ever run on my car. I am at 70%dc @ 678hp Dyno Jet, 640hp dynopack.

If you are going to buy injectors, get the High Impedence injectors. Run the Injector Dynamics or FIC.


Tre3zy
(correct me if im rite...Wyldcarz been rolling hard for a long time)
07/12/10 03:06 PM
Re: E85

yea ill probly get the 2150's if i ever convert.... sucks that the closets station out here is like 20 miles away....

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
07/12/10 08:09 PM
Re: E85

My E85 setup is:
Dual 255's in the tank to -6 bulkheads with a Nitrous "Y" going to a single -8 line all the way to the fuel rail.
Stock return line
FIC BlueMax 1350's
Bullseye Borg Warner S256ET turbo
31psi
471whp, 405tq

All my car info: click


Brianawd
(Higher Launch RPM)
07/13/10 12:17 PM
Re: E85

My e85 setup

click


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
08/19/10 11:35 PM
Re: E85

I'm interested to know what gas mileage is, and if it is more cost efective. Meaning: does the lower cost of E85 actually save you money with the worse gas mileage?

jasonvr4
(Junior Member)
08/20/10 02:26 AM
Re: E85

Hi all,

Ethanol is garbage / junk - shit !!!!

Hate it -- absorbs moisture and is shit fuel

shame we cant go to another kind of fuel

99%premium is the best or AVGAS hahaha

jvr4


496of2000
(Member ++)
08/20/10 06:47 AM
Re: E85

Quoting Robb:

I'm interested to know what gas mileage is, and if it is more cost efective. Meaning: does the lower cost of E85 actually save you money with the worse gas mileage?



You will get a lower mpgs with e-85. Checkout fueleconomy.gov, 2010 chevy tahoe. On e85 it gets 13mpg. Regular gas it gets 17 mpg. Search for e-85 cars on the site get 3-8 mpg less.


thecman02
(too lazy to look)
08/20/10 07:09 AM
Re: E85

If your trying to run high boost, then e85 will save you hundreds of dollars. If your running low boost and don't like going fast just stick with pump. I pretty much break even on my setup and I can enjoy 25-30psi with great timing.

prove_it
(my racist jokes aren't actually funny)
08/20/10 07:23 AM
Re: E85

Quoting jasonvr4:

Hi all,

Ethanol is garbage / junk - shit !!!!

Hate it -- absorbs moisture and is shit fuel

shame we cant go to another kind of fuel

99%premium is the best or AVGAS hahaha

jvr4




And your proof and reasons to support this are.......because you feel like it?

I have tuned several cars on e85 and have been playing with mixtures for about 4 years now. Yes every 10k miles or every spring you'll need to clean your injectors due to some build-up that happens. But is that a big deal?
Around here E85 costs about 1.80 and gas is about 3.00 for premium. I run E30 which costs 2.40, and I get about 24 mpg on that plus the effective octane is about 94-95 points. I can push my stock turbo and intercooler farther than with gas and have not had a single problem for about 4k miles.

Yes E85 takes more fuel, but you spend less. It tends to become a wash out. You do gain 10 points in octane though. 92-93 versus 105, yea it's worth it. Also the high alcohol content cools the air charge noticeable which also helps the knock threshold. There are cars here that are pushing some big limits and doing it everyday.

Best part is that E85 supports and funds local farmers and helps them to succeed and not into big oil company's and into the hands of the people we are at war with.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
08/20/10 09:30 AM
Re: E85

Thanks proveit, I was just wondering if it would be worth it if I ever did get another VR4. Since you said its a wash, but you get a lot more benefits, it looks like it is. I had a flexfuel Ranger that I don't think there was much of a difference in gas mileage with the E85, except it ran a lot better on it. Now, would you be able to do it without link?

And jason, brake fluid absorbs moisture, thats why you change it every once in a while. If you are constantly using gas (and had a sealed system in good working order), wouldn't it be a non issue? Why aren't the flexfuel cars worried about that?


prove_it
(my racist jokes aren't actually funny)
08/20/10 05:02 PM
Re: E85

The alcohol in E85 will absorb moisture, but your right we do have sealed systems and the amount of water it's allowed to absorb once in our cars is minimal, however you can't forget the trip the fuel makes to get into your car. From processing to tanks to trucks to tanks again then to a truck again then to a tank in the ground, some water will happen. It happens to regular fuels too.

Anyways, yes you can do it without Link or standalone, but you will need some sort of compensation. You can use an AFC, but you'll bigger injectors and pump even on a stock car. Trust me I tried, you need 680's at a bare minimum on a full stock set up.

I think Keydiver can program a chip for E85, which would be the cheapest way to go. Either way you'll spend about 200-400 in fuel management. I recommend using Link or standalone so you can have a local tuner tune it. E85 can vary from E70-E85 pending on the time of year and your location. It's also a real good idea to have a wideband installed too.

With my E30 I've luck running it without tuning it. I can switch between 91 and E30 anytime. My fuel trims will change about 10-13% which isn't too bad, not great but not bad. E30 is still being test marketed yet so it's not too available.


Nartanian
(Wears Turbo Chrysler Emblems with Pride, Watches Soap Operas all day.)
08/21/10 01:19 PM
Re: E85

My set-up on E85 daily driven:

-MHI s16g
-HKS ssqv bov (recirculated)
-Evo 8 FMIC w/ 2.5" IC piping
-Evo 8 MAS w/ 4.5" Perrin filter
-Evo III o2 housing (ported)
-2g exhaust manifold
-3" turboback
-SafcII
-Keydiver chip
-FIC 950cc
-Walbro 255

Not sure on what numbers I'm putting down but I'd like to think just a hair over 300whp at 30psi and torque since I'm set to that.

Gas mileage isn't horrible either. I get about 20-24mpg driving "nicely"


Brunoboy
(Jesus Clips)
08/21/10 01:33 PM
Re: E85

i didnt even know you could push a s16g to 30 psi. lol, My setup is right now
Evo IX Pump
B16g
Jon's Evo VIII FMIC/ piping kit
2.5-3 inch turbo back
Dsm GT high flow manifold
2g o2 housing
Go Fast Bits BOV
Ecm Link Lite
880cc injectors.
AFPR Fuel Lab
2g maf with hard intake piping
HKS EVC IV

I am not to sure what I wanna do with it. I may want to go E85 but at the moment its not readily available around my area.


turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
08/21/10 01:56 PM
Re: E85

If worried about fuel mileage, there is always the middle ground that is meth injection. It's a bit more complicated though.

Nartanian
(Wears Turbo Chrysler Emblems with Pride, Watches Soap Operas all day.)
08/21/10 02:17 PM
Re: E85

Yea, it's more of a spike though. In 5th gear it goes over 30psi maxing out the boost gauge, so I think it's best I turn it down a bit or else it'll end up like the 14b I hear rumors that meth injection has led to engine failures or something similar when it fails. I don't really know much on it though. I don't think E85 really is a problem of gas mileage as it is availability for most. Especially since E85 goes for around 2.09/gal in my area atleast.

Brunoboy
(Jesus Clips)
08/21/10 02:26 PM
Re: E85

its about 2.50 a gallon 40 minutes away lol.

turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
08/21/10 03:13 PM
Re: E85

I have an E85 station about 35mins away, but I consider that too far to be worth it.

Meth can cause engine failures if there are no failsafes built into the system. If you're smart about the setup, it works well with little worry. I've been rocking it since '06 without issue.



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