abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
02/24/17 05:18 PM
Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Well I have been having odd issues with the clutch in our Galant VR-4. I eventually notice one of the clutch slave cylinder mounting holes has broken clean off. I then notice a massive crack running all the way from the slave cyclinder up to the top of what I believe to be the bell housing. I have spent the last hour reading all the various posts about this particular issue and some deal with this by welding up the bell housing but looking at the 10 - 12 inch split I do not think this is something that can be welded. (I'm not even sure I it is the bell housing I am looking at... I think it is... The clutch slave cyl mounts to it...) So I am looking for some advice... hate to trash the car because it is a really nice specimen. It's worth saving. Is my best course of action to buy a replacement transmission? If so, where is a good source? Any advice appreciated.





EMX5636
(Carbon Fiber Cage)
02/24/17 05:41 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Buying a replacement transmission is probably the easiest solution, unless you or a friend can tear the transmission down to replace just the bellhousing. It could be welded though, if you have anyone nearby good with cast aluminum. Needs to be removed from the car either way.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
02/24/17 06:29 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Thanks for the reply. That is what I am thinking as well but figured others smarter then I might have another suggestion. Any suggestions as to a good source for a new transmission? Online discount Mitsu parts suppliers have them for around $2600. I am located in San Diego...
Anyone know of a San Diego based mechanic that is good with these cars?


ghostinthevr4
(Likes Poetry)
02/26/17 11:50 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

2600 that's a lot it almost sounds like your in aftermarket territory at that price. Then again prices on everything have gone way up, you ever here of Loya Built?
He's in S.D. I think plus he may have some spare transmissions.

Good luck!


iceman69510
(Turn Right Racing)
02/27/17 08:15 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

I'm not sure if Jacks Transmissions or Shepherd deal with these older cars anymore, but may possibly have parts lying around.

TRE in Michigan still does though. When I had mine rebuilt by Jon (TRE) he replace my bell housing from a parts transmission he had around. Mind you, this was a while ago. He can do a rebuild for less than that $2600 figure.


abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
02/28/17 09:59 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

I have never heard of Loya Built. I found their Facebook page but Facebook is soooo 2016... I don't do FB. I will have to figure out some way to get a hold of them. I hate to trash this really nice VR-4 over a cracked bell housing. If I could repair the car and even make it better while in the process then I will spend the money.

G
(JDM Unit)
02/28/17 10:12 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Any pics of the vr4? How much would you sell for?

diambo4life
(Member)
03/01/17 08:19 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

I have at least a couple bell-housings in my garage. I break a lot of transmissions. If you just want to replace that, PM me.

iceman69510
(Turn Right Racing)
03/01/17 09:28 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Quoting abikepeddler:

I hate to trash this really nice VR-4 over a cracked bell housing. If I could repair the car and even make it better while in the process then I will spend the money.




Absolutely no reason to trash the car over this. Transmission repair is normal business for these cars (as the poster above mentioned )


FlyingEagle
(Eager Beaver)
03/02/17 12:19 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

^^^ Exactly.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
03/02/17 01:43 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Yes, agreed the car is worth saving but I also can't dump $4000 - $5000 into the installation of a new transmission into this car either. I need to find a "reasonable" solution. I am trying to find contact info for the previously mentioned Loya Built but I can't find contact info for them except for their Facebook page... I don't do Facebook. If anyone has any contact info for them or any other suggestions as to where best to source a tranny, please let me know. Either that or this car gets sold "as-is" and I move on.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
03/02/17 02:23 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice


Here are a couple recent pics of the car...





nickpedro
(Newbie)
03/02/17 02:41 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

WHOA

G
(JDM Unit)
03/02/17 03:33 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

PM me a price as is with the cracked trans.

idreamidrive
(Member +)
03/03/17 11:31 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

There are a couple of people in the San Diego area that would be probably be willing to help you out. There is a guy in Ramona who rallys them so he might have a spare, but i can't remember his name. If I was still in the area, I would. Road race engineering might have something, but they are up in LA.

idreamidrive
(Member +)
03/03/17 11:36 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Also, Facebook is an invaluable asset for owning these cars as most parts get posted on there. Socal DSM page click or socal gvr4 click

diambo4life
(Member)
03/05/17 07:23 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Very clean belize green. Wish mine was half as clean. Trannies are a quick fix on these cars. Do not sell it. You will regret it.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
03/06/17 03:28 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Thank you everyone for you input and guidance on this repair. Much appreciated.

In early 1991 I drove my father to my local Mitsubishi dealer in my then 8 month old 1990 Eclipse GSX and had him place a deposit on a brand new 1991 Galant VR-4 (#1337). My dad drove that car for a few years before I purchased it from him. I then got stupid and sold it in 1999 with 10,000 miles on the odometer to a guy named Andy Hall. So my regrets already run VERY deep. I just recently found out that #1337 burned down in a structure fire while being serviced at a mechanics business. So when #1609 popped up I grabbed it and it has been a great car and I want to keep it...

I am just hoping that removing the old bell housing is straight forward. I am very experienced at wrenching on cars but this car intimidates me a bit.

So while I have everything apart I want to tackle any other issues. Likely will replace the clutch and flywheel (lighter). I hear ACT clutches and flywheels are good. Also am going to replace the lowering springs on this car because they are WAY to stiff. Car is upset by mid corner bumps. Does not make handling predictable.


AllanL
(Heal and Toe)
03/06/17 06:57 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice



highrpm666
(Member)
03/06/17 08:43 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Hey, I'm going to be in San Diego at the end of March/beginning of April on a small vacation. I'm pretty knowledgeable with these cars and have torn mine and few few friends cars apart and back together multiple times.. I'm also a career mechanic. I'd be willing to come spend some time one day helping you out or giving you some pointers while I'm in town. If you would like a hand!

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
03/06/17 11:08 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice


HighRPM666... Wow. That is just too nice of you to offer your time and expertise. I wouldn't dare accept simply because you are on vacation and I wouldn't want you to miss the thrill of San Deigo's epic traffic and 72 degree/sunny weather... every... single... day. (It's like Groundhog Day here.) But if IF IF we happen to have the car apart at the time you are in the area I might have you take a moment to take a look at the car just to make sure things look OK. My biggest concern is replacing the bell housing as it looks like I'd be breaking down the transmission a good amount. I'm tempted to take it to a tranny shop and pay them to do the bell housing surgery.

You can see the entire trans in this Tom's Turbo Garage video at the 1:33min mark. Toms' Turbo Garage VR-4 Transmission


highrpm666
(Member)
03/07/17 06:53 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Haha.. I've been to San Diego too many times! I'm coming because one of my Fiance's friends is having festivities revolving around their upcoming wedding. I'm looking for any excuse not to join in on the "heaploads" of girly time fun. Id much rather travel half way across the country and maybe spend an afternoon helping out another gvr4 enthusiast than listen to 12 wined up ticking hormone timebombs argue about the color of the table runners!

ghostinthevr4
(Likes Poetry)
03/07/17 09:04 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice



abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
03/08/17 06:04 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

That's hilarious. What? Not interested in tasting 6 different samples of wedding cake?

curtis
(Space Blanket from NASA plumbed into the attic)
03/23/17 03:45 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Wheres POLISH when you need him a 12 pack and 90 seconds he'd have it changed. search for polish trans video its classic. Man learn to get dirty a trans replacement on these cars is a normal thing if you treat her like the bitch she is its a yearly task.

highrpm666
(Member)
03/29/17 11:17 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

I'll be flying in tomorrow.. lemme know if you would like a hand, the offer still stands. Though I may be a bit lethargic from all that wedding cake

highrpm666
(Member)
04/01/17 02:08 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

So wait, your profile says 1607 and your previous post says 1609.. which one is it!?

I found 1607 yesterday while headed to the beach in Del Mar. Is this you? And fyi I'm apparently the Liam Neeson of finding galants.. I was in SD for 4 hours when I found this car. Dumb luck.


idreamidrive
(Member +)
04/03/17 08:06 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

That should be him. I used to park right by his house to go to the beach with the family when I lived in there. He ended up getting the car after I left though. I feel bad for the car living that close to the ocean.

abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
07/11/17 04:29 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Sorry I have not updated this in a while and that I didn't see the responses a couple months ago... I've been busy hammering away on this car. I was successful at pulling the trans and getting the bell housing replaced as well as welding up the cracked engine block tab. Whether it will hold is NOT THE POINT! Ha Ha. But I took my time, practiced cast iron welding for like a week and even came up with a way to reinforce the tab so it should hold for at least the first, oh... 10 minutes of driving. (God.. could you imagine? SNAP! expletive expletive expletive expletive) I have a backup plan should it fail so either way I will keep #1607 on the road.

True, car is located near the beach but that won't matter as I take extreme care of my cars both cosmetically and mechanically so the car is in good hands. It will be garaged most of the time... besides, this car is totally rust free so I don't want to risk any cancer showing up. I was an original owner so a Eclipse GSX in Dec 1989 and a Galant VR-4 (#1337) in 1991 so I have a history of taking care of these cars. It is when I SELL THEM that the trouble begins. (story for another time...)

The trans removal led me down a slippery slope and I ended up tearing nearly the entire car apart. All new brake rotors and shoes, CV joint boots, tie rods and steering/tie rod bellows, fuel filler hose (from cap to gas tank), stainless clutch line, tore the STIFF Whiteline springs out and installed new H&R blues, front strut top hats, hydraulic hood struts, fuel filter, new 17" wheels, tires, touchscreen stereo with 6 speakers (orig were blown) and I am still doing a slow 6 week deep conditioning of the leather with Leatherique treatment (which is coming out amazing!). On my to-do list is a new muffler, figure out what clutch is best for my application and install that while I have the car apart as well as try and fix the sunroof that will open and close but no longer pops up into ventilation mode. Oh and I want to install new windshield washer nozzles because the stock ones suck!

Here are some pics so far...








boboz
(Newbie)
07/11/17 04:55 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

A henrob/DHC/cobra 2000 specialist oxy torch will weld that without issue and no worries with contaminants etc - just need to pre-heat the housing thoroughly. Old cast piston rings make excellent cast-iron filler rod for high-load cast objects like engine blocks etc.

Good luck!


abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
07/11/17 11:46 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

My concern was getting too much heat into the block for fear of it possibly cracking on cool down.

GSTwithPSI
(A hole)
07/12/17 08:22 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Looking good. I hope that repair holds up after all that work!

I'm hoping to be back in San Diego this Fall, but things are up in the air right now. The Cali crew is getting strong.

Looking forward to seeing more updates on the car.


abikepeddler
(Junior Member)
11/08/17 04:52 PM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Wanted to wrap this 10 month old thread up with a final update (hopefully!) and thank everyone that came forward to assist in solving the multiple issues we had with a cracked bell housing and a broken cast iron engine/trans tab. Once the new bell housing was installed and I welded up the engine block tab it all went back together quite smoothly. Since I had all this apart I went ahead and rebuilt damn near half the car.

CV joint boots
Steering rack bellows
Tie rod ends
Steel braided clutch line
All new cheapo eBay brakes
H&R blue springs
Strut hats
Fuel filler hose
Hood struts
Fuel filter
Rubber shifter plate bushings replaced with fixed units.
Shifter cable bushings
Clutch slave cyl
New double din touchscreen GPS head unit, all new speakers and 10" sub.
New wheels (TE37 replicas) and tires (225/17) just for the hell of it.
Alignment (yesterday).

Basically everything I could tear apart while awaiting the bell housing repair we did. But the best thing I did and I an SO GLAD I THOUGHT TO DO THIS was to start treating the leather with a conditioner. My background is in cosmetic car maintenance so I know something about this aspect. The leather in #1607 was really aged. Cosmetically it looked good from 10 feet but it was really hard and uncomfortable. Sounded like a bass drum when you tap your fingers on it. So using an old favorite of mine (Leatherique) I started the process of restoring the flexibility to the hydes. It cost $100 in product and took 6 solid months of applying and reapplying the product but wow, it looks, feels and SMELLS like a new car. Granted, with 225k on the odo it is not perfect. Some areas are still a bit stiff but nothing like they were. I owned a GVR4 #1337 brand new, right off the dealers showroom and I remember just how soft the leather was. While #1607 isn't quite there yet, it is amazing how well this product works if you are really, REALLY patient.

So now just need to break in the clutch and brakes and check that dumb ass (me) didn't forget to torque down a bolt correctly...

So thanks to everyone who offered up parts, answered my questions and was so patient with me.

Regards,

Eric
Del Mar, CA


iceman69510
(Turn Right Racing)
11/09/17 08:04 AM
Re: Cracked Bell Housing... advice

Good to hear the successful progress you have made and the love you are lavishing on the car.


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