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02/11/06 10:31 PM
'91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

This took me months to gather all the right parts to do the install. Would I recommend it to anyone? Yes & no.
What you need:

1) Brackets $129 steel & $119 T61 Aluminum - TunersNation.com This includes all the mounting hardwares.

2) 1 pair of '91-'93.5 3kgt vr4 front 4 piston calipers (updated 12/29/08 - Calipers TunersNation.com .

3) 1 pair of front rotors for a '94-'99 3KGT VR4. I can get plain factory rotors & pads or aftermarket drilled/slotted rotors & aftermarket performance pads. Just drop me a pm or go to TunersNation.com

4) Evo 8 wheels if you've gone 5 lug or 17x8 +38mm offset or 18x7.5 with a minimum of +18mm offset or be prepared to use wheel spacers. You can buy these at Pep Boys Auto Store. You may need 1/2" up to 3/4" spacers depending on your wheel's spoke design. You may be able to get away with smaller offset depending on your wheel's spoke design. If the spoke is around 1/2" thick you won't need spacers & should be able to get away with 42mm offset or be prepared to make an executive decision to grind down the calipers or the inside of the wheel's spoke to clear the calipers.

5) Brake fluid & new ss brake lines . Our OEM lines bolts up to the calipers so no need to replace unless you must. They come is several colors, are D.O.T Certified & made in the USA.

6) If you still have 4 lugs like I do, be prepared to line up the new 94-99 3kgt vr4 rotors with your stockers in order to re-drill them. You will need a 1/2" 'quality' bit & good drill for this. With the right bit, it doesn't take any time.

7) The dust shield will need to be trimmed starting right below the mounting tab for the ABS sensor cutting straight across to the other side. Be careful no to cut lines. Look at the pictures below for reference.

8) Since you're cutting off the mounting for the abs sensor line, you'll need a place to reattach them. The struts have a mounting area just above the strut lower top bracket.
9a) Forgot to mention that I had to shim the abs sensor with one washer.

9) Things to consider if you don't have the proper wheel to clear the calipers.
9a) You will need longer studs by at least 1/2".
9b) This is a good opportunity to determine if you want to stay 4 lug or switch to 5 lug.
9c) Upgrade suspension because your wheels will be sticking out more due to offset or wheel spacer.
9d) Replace worn out hubs, wheel bearings......
9e) Replace any torn boots while you have everything apart.
9f) Make sure when you purchase used calipers you ask for all the shims & brackets.
9g) The new 3kgt vr4 calipers are aluminum & hence lighter than our oems. The rotors however are much heavier. Unfortunately I didn't weigh any of these but pick them up & you'll see what I'm talking about.
Whenever I find the photos of the custom brackets I'll post them.





I haven't driven the car yet to 'test' the new setup. Here's a few pictures with the car finally back on the ground. Will have some better shots once I can clean up the garage & wash the car. Got one picture, car still dirty as I haven't had a chance to wash it yet.
Still haven't driven it hard yet (just enough to seat the pads). Still need to trim some fat off one wheel before I can strat thrashing it.




Added these pictures of Jermaine's car when he test fitted the calipers.







464/2K
(<3s Rance and self distrusts)
02/11/06 10:35 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

some one F'in put this in the How to section! nice write up Garfield
!!!!


CO VR4
(Senior Member)
02/11/06 11:16 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Thanks, Garfield, for the informative writeup. Peter (cobrajetguy) didn't know the things you found, because he borrowed the original brackets from the suspension off the old Mofugas racecar from me, and that suspension has not been installed on a car yet. It's very helpful to know what is needed to make all the parts work on the car. Thanks again.

curtis
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02/12/06 05:14 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!



**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 06:18 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

What happens to your ABS?

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 06:51 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

nice write up garfield. the abs throw it in the garbage its worthless anyways on our cars. let me know how you like the stopping power. i need to find out the offset on my 17's i need new brakes up front and if those brackets are still available that can be an option. someone please move this to how to and also someone find the info on the brackets.

thanks.


atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
02/12/06 07:05 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Hec,

I'm sure your Konig's are pretty similar to mine in offset and space behind the wheel so I'm gonna guess that you can forget fitting the calipers under them. one of the members here measured the distance that the caliper sticks out from the rotor for me once and it was like twice as much as the space available behind my wheels. Your best bet would be to get a set of wheels designed to clear those calipers.

John


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02/12/06 07:19 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

yea only 40mm spacing according to konig. i guess ill stick to my original plan and just get all new stuff.

atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
02/12/06 07:23 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Did you see the set up that ron is using?

LINK

I'm thinking about it myself except that I'd have the rotors drilled for 4 lug. My buddy Mike ('vette guy from the NY rally) works at a F-Body/Vette place so they may even have a set of those calipers lying around .

John


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02/12/06 02:39 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Hec,
one of the members here measured the distance that the caliper sticks out from the rotor for me once and it was like twice as much as the space available behind my wheels.




Measurement from surface of '94-'99 3kgt vr4 rotor to outside of super duper wide caliper is 2.5".

Quote:

Your best bet would be to get a set of wheels designed to clear those calipers.

John




100% agreed here. I'm not going to tell anyone how much I tweaked my wheels to clear the calipers. It was that or grind down the calipers & I wasn't about to do that. Needles to say the wheels are no good now. I needed a reason to get new wheels anyway


4orced4door
(Out Standing)
02/12/06 02:55 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Why didn't you just get some spacers rather than ruin your wheels?

How much do you think you have invested in this, including all the little stuff? Grand total?


atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
02/12/06 03:07 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

You'd probably need at least a 1" spacer to fit these calipers with your average aftermarket wheels. Imagine how ridiculous the car would look with the wheels sticking out like that. Not to mention that the tires would be rubbing all the time.

John


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02/12/06 03:08 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I started to use the spacers, 2 per side = 1/2" of spacers. Needless to say, there wasn't much tread on the stud to securely fasten the lug nuts. Hence I use one spacer & trimmed some meat off the inside of the wheel spokes. The alternative would've been to get longer wheel studs but I needed the car back on the road today so I can get to & from work. So in the true spirit of us mitsu/dsm guys, I made it work . Not the best thing to do but like I said, I needed a reason to get new wheels
$ so far
Calipers = $170 shipped
Adaptor Brackets $90
Nuts & Bolts $10
Rotors = $100 shipped
Pads = $40
Brake Fluid = $5-6
Braker cleaner = $$5-10
$ to be spent
New wheels = ~$850 shipped
Tires = ~$350
Cheaper to go aftermarket brakes that doesnt require changing wheels (depending on what you have), using spacers & getting longer studs.
OEM bling - Priceless


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 03:19 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

DAMN Garfield!!!1
Does this mean that 3000GT brake upgrades can fit Galants too??? hmmmmmm...

yours was the 1st VR4 I ever fell in love with. (was my Wallpaper when I was still looking for a Galant)
Now its even sweeter!

nice work and keep us posted about the performance or any problems you may encounter.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 03:23 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Kidding me? I'm thinking about doing that upgrade on my Turbo Mirage!

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02/12/06 04:20 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

what wheels did you decide on garfield?

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02/12/06 04:42 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I know Mark & a few others are going to get royally pissed off very soon, but I'm planning on going with 5Ziggen FNO1R-C 17x8 35mm bronze or black with polished lip. I like the way the black w/polished lip looks but always wanted to go w/good quality bronze http://www.5zigenusa.com/w_fn01rc.html.



Jermaine told me the Evo 8 wheels clears these capilers also & are the same size & offset. He already test fitted the Evo 8's & will be running them until he can get some TE37's.


4orced4door
(Out Standing)
02/12/06 05:48 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

That's what I'm getting too. These are going to be the most overused VR4 wheels.

TWEAKD4
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02/12/06 06:10 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

It isn't like there are that many wide wheels available for the GVR4 that look nice in the 4x114.3 pattern. Garfield has a few more choices since he is 5 lug now.

Looks like a great setup. Take some pics when it is back on the ground.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 06:22 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Tweakd, I'm still 4 lug.


kartorium
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02/12/06 06:52 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Meh, no one will get pissed. Its the best option for the vr4 right now considering price, weight, size and look. Can't argue with that....I just give mark shit cause I can

Looks good garfield, would have been awesome to know how heavy those suckers were in comparison too though. Hurry up and drive it and let us know how they feel on the road! BTW, what tires are you gonna go with?


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 07:31 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I was bent on getting this thing done this weekend & didn't want to spend time on small stuff. Jermaine hasn't installed his yet so I can get the weights from him.
Not sure what tires I'm going with yet.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/12/06 08:57 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

What happens to your ABS?




Nothing, it's still there.


4Grim
(I deliver.)
02/12/06 09:40 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Very Very nice man

speedyvr4
(Still looking for the forest!)
02/12/06 10:50 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

yeah man,mad props to you.I like the way my vr4 stops,but those calipers are serious shit.If they can stop the big cow 3si I'm sure they are ready for the track or mountainside on the gvr4.two thumbs up for you bro.

cobrajetguy
(Doppleganger)
02/13/06 11:39 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I still have a couple sets of the brake caliper brackets left if anyone is interested. They are $90 shipped a set and yes I do take paypal. I have also found that SSR Competition wheels fit over these brakes, not sure what offset they were as I was just borrowing them from a friend to see if they fit. Any Evo wheel should fit over this setup.

Pete


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02/14/06 01:05 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

http://www.5zigenusa.com/w_fn01rc.html.[/url]








Can someone photoshop these on my car?


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/14/06 05:12 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

very nice!

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02/14/06 09:06 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

the car looks great and so do the brakes. I think the black/silver lip fno1rc's woudl look better on your car than the bronze because they'd match the two tone paint.

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/14/06 09:44 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Quote:

What happens to your ABS?




Nothing, it's still there.





who cares what happens to your ABS anyway, it f'n sucks


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/14/06 11:00 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

I know Mark & a few others are going to get royally pissed off very soon, but I'm planning on going with 5Ziggen FNO1R-C 17x8 35mm bronze or black with polished lip. I like the way the black w/polished lip looks but always wanted to go w/good quality bronze http://www.5zigenusa.com/w_fn01rc.html.



Jermaine told me the Evo 8 wheels clears these capilers also & are the same size & offset. He already test fitted the Evo 8's & will be running them until he can some TE37's.




Correction: The Evo 8 oe wheels are 17x8 +38mm offset. 3mm extra space should be a perfect fit.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/15/06 07:21 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Quote:

What happens to your ABS?




Nothing, it's still there.



So the ABS sensors in the 3K GT calipers are compatible with the Galants ABS system?


atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
02/15/06 08:07 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

The sensors are attached to the front steering knuckle, not the caliper.

John


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/15/06 08:18 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

WHY would you WANT ABS???

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/15/06 11:43 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

The brake looks real nice man.

I can get the 5 Zigen FNO1R-C pretty cheap.. let me know if you need a set.


CP
(Still lingering, kinda like a chili and beer fart)
02/16/06 09:42 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Got any curvy racetracks down there that you plan to heavily use these at? I'd be interested to hear some comments once you get them heated up with some decent pads.

I'm thinking about the 1G DSM Stoptech kit for '07. But this looks like a good option as well.


jogalant
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02/16/06 11:48 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Sweet-lookin' stoppers Garfield!

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/16/06 03:55 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Got any curvy racetracks down there that you plan to heavily use these at? I'd be interested to hear some comments once you get them heated up with some decent pads.

I'm thinking about the 1G DSM Stoptech kit for '07. But this looks like a good option as well.




Curvy racetrack, yes. Do I plan on using it, probably not. I did this purely for the bling. Maybe one day I'll tackle the track.


Larry Parker
(Rally Member)
02/17/06 10:17 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Wont fit under 15" I suppose? I need to do some brake for the from of the rally car soon... I will wear out the pads I have but after that????

LP


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/17/06 10:42 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

hmm I didn't know that first gen calipers could work with 2g rotors. Is that just because of the bracket positioning?

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/17/06 10:59 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Wont fit under 15" I suppose? I need to do some brake for the from of the rally car soon... I will wear out the pads I have but after that????

LP




Looks like smallest wheel that can be used is a 17". If you've gone 5 lug, you could use the 3g 17" alloy wheel (same ones that come on the '99 eclipse gsx) with longer wheel studs.

By the way, can someone move this to the 'How to Section'?


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/17/06 11:02 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

hmm I didn't know that first gen calipers could work with 2g rotors. Is that just because of the bracket positioning?




The 2g calipers are about 1/2" larger than the 1g. The 1g rotors will be 1/2" too small for use with these brackets.


GVR-4
(Creative Name Huh?)
02/19/06 10:39 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Sorry if I missed it (I just reread the whole thread), but what is the diameter of the rotors?

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/20/06 09:43 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Stock Dimensions

1991-1993>>295mm 11.62" >>Thickness 30mm 1.18">>Cylinder ID 40.4mm x 2+ 42.8 x 2
1994-1999>>314mm 12.36" >>Thickness 30mm 1.18">>Cylinder ID 40.4mm x 2+ 42.8 x 2

Read here for more indepth info



**DONOTDELETE**
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02/22/06 10:10 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Just posting this for the archive.
My brake master cyliner started leaking after one week of babying the brakes. Luckily the car was parked when this happened. So one more thing to keep in mind if you do decide to tackle this. My car has just over 214k miles on the clock when this happened. To avoid the downtime, you may as well replace this while upgrading. I believe the dealer cost is around $350, local auto store is around $70 after the core charge.


atc250r
(Senior Ricer)
02/22/06 10:14 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

If I were to do this I would definitely look into getting a 17/16" master from a 3KGT or as someone else suggested an Evo 7. I'd guess that the 7 and 8 are the same one and may be a better option. If one of you with an 8 could take a few close up pic of the MC area so we can see how the lines are routed that'd be great.

John


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/22/06 10:26 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I considered this upgrade, but 1st I need to get the car back on the road. Then source the 3kgt vr4 MC. Does it matter if it's 1st gen or 2nd?

atc250r
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02/22/06 10:29 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I'm not sure. I'd look at whatever one fits the best. My guess would be that the Evo one would fit better as far as line location but that is just a guess. Check out car-part.com if you want to see if a junkyard has one for cheap. Edit: I just searched there and found 2 for under $100 .

John


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02/22/06 10:48 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I just got off the phone with Satan. Apparently Mitsu revised the MC over the years & moved the screw on the side to the bottom. At this point I'm leaning to believe that I have the correct replacement part. Not sure what the deal is with the screws not going all the way down. I'm gonna give it a shot again tonight. Maybe tackling it half-a-sleep @ 12 midnight presented some other challenges.



GVR-4
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02/22/06 04:00 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

IMHO rebuilding or buying a rebuilt master cylinder is a bad idea. As Ken said, the aluminum just doesn't seem do well after a rebuild. I rebuilt my clutch and brake master cylinders (I honed them well) and neither has consistent feel. Now I have to do the same job again. I'm sure other people will disagree. YMMV. Keep us posted, Garfield.

**DONOTDELETE**
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03/12/06 11:56 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

update?

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03/13/06 04:39 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

3000Gt VR4 = GTO?

Anyway, where can I get the custom brackets to fit onto a VR4 knuckle? I can get the GTO calipers (1 set) easily here.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/13/06 12:13 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I still have a couple sets of the brake caliper brackets left if anyone is interested. They are $90 shipped a set and yes I do take paypal. I have also found that SSR Competition wheels fit over these brakes, not sure what offset they were as I was just borrowing them from a friend to see if they fit. Any Evo wheel should fit over this setup.

Pete




3000GT vr4 = GTO; yes.
Brackets available in 1st post.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/13/06 12:18 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

update?




Brakes holding up very well. I definately recommend getting the correct wheels to go with these calipers before you attempt this. Smallest wheel you can use is 17". 17x8 +38 evo 8 oem whells fits perfectly if you've gone 5 lug. If you're still 4 lug like me, the 5Ziggen listed on pg 2 of this thread should be perfect fit @ 35mm offset. This gives an additional 3mm offset. The evo 8 wheels @ +38mm offset still have some room which leads me to believe +35mm offset will work.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/14/06 01:53 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I'm using Advan RC 17" x 7J. Will it clear the big brakes? The offset is +45.

Yiuwa
(Right-hand Member)
03/14/06 03:55 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Actually it doesn't really matter what offset are your wheels made with, but the spoke pattern design

You should take your wheel to junkyard, mount it to any GTO caliper you can find to tell you for sure

Yiuwa


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03/15/06 01:30 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

I know Mark & a few others are going to get royally pissed off very soon, but I'm planning on going with 5Ziggen FNO1R-C 17x8 35mm bronze or black with polished lip.




I have a set sitting in my room right now, in Bronze, the black w/polished lip are $60 more a set, so I just went with bronze. The brakes look good Garfield but it looks like a lot of Labor and parts searching. It might just be easier, but a little more expensive to go with the Willwood 6 pots. This gives us GVR4 guys a couple options though.
Thanks for the writeup


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/15/06 02:07 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

I'm using Advan RC 17" x 7J. Will it clear the big brakes? The offset is +45.




17x7 +45mm offset will not clear. As Yiaw mentioned, spoke design plays a big part as well. I'd say if your spokes are thicker than 3/4", you may need spacers. Any wheels designed for the Evo 8 will clear these calipers. That being said, the smallest wheel you can run is 17x8 +38mm offset.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/15/06 06:42 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Thanks.

I will try to grab a set of GTO front n rear calipers + rotors + knuckle for experiment.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/19/06 03:45 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Or just do weight reduction instead which increases your brakes performance and your VR4s' acceleration

I'm a great believer that pad selection is just as important as rotor diameter, so with the lack of Ferrodo DS2500 or DS3000 pads available for the 4 Piston calipers, I can't justify myself adding extra unsprung weight. If you want to cheat though, we have a Mitsubishi 4WD model here called 'Pajero' model NJ where the Calipers are almost the same as the VR4s, the only difference being the pistons in these are about 3-4mm greater in diameter over the VR4 pistons


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/03/06 12:08 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Update:

The FNOR-1C didn't clear the calipers . It came down to spoke design. The spokes has approx a 1/2" lip that didn't clear the calipers. Any 17x8.5+30mm offset wheel designed for the evo 8 will work on the galant as well.

The hunt for aftermarket wheels is still on. If I go 5 lug, then the oem evo 8 wheels will clear without any problems. At this point, this is the most affordable option. I'm slowly gathering what I need to do this. If anyone has the 5 lug spindles w/abs that there willing to part with at an affordable price, please hit me up.


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09/18/06 10:37 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

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04/11/07 09:34 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Can a moderator move this from the 'general forum' to the 'how to forum'?

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04/11/07 06:08 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Quote:

Quote:

update?




Brakes holding up very well. I definately recommend getting the correct wheels to go with these calipers before you attempt this. Smallest wheel you can use is 17".





Actually I have seen this setup on a 1g with some 16x8 SSRs that DID clear the caliper. The mitsubishi was shaved off the caliper and there was no spacer being run IIRC.


**DONOTDELETE**
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04/13/07 02:39 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

Yes, 16's will work with the right offset. OEM non-turbo 3000GT 16's clear the TT calipers (even if you have the lettering). The shaved lettering could have just been a dodge stealth caliper since they don't say anything.

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/14/07 10:43 AM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

They probably used the bracket from vfaq or dsmtalk (I don't recall) which is different from the one I used. The bracket I used was designed to work with the '94-'99 3kgt vr4 rotors which are about 1/2" wider in diameter/surface area than the '91-'93 3kgt vr4 rotors.

belize1334
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11/01/10 12:16 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

I just wanted to add a little info...

Stealth 316 lists the 3kgt pistons as 40.4/42.8mm for ALL YEARS of 3kgt. Rock-auto on the other hand says that this is true for 2G but lists something like 2.1" for the 1G. A member here on the boards (vapid) confirmed for me that the 1G are in fact ~1.5" confirming that the info on stealth 316 is correct and rockauto is WRONG. This allows for an estimate of the brake-bias that can be expected using 3kgt rotors.

Stock GVR4 brakes...

Front piston: 41.3mm x 2
Front rotor: 276mm
Rear piston: 34.9mm x 1
Rear rotor: 265mm

So, just looking for the clamping force ratio front/back we get (2*(41.3^2))/(34.9^2)=2.8. That is, in stock form the front brakes clamp down on the disks with 2.8 times the total force. Then, to get the torque split, we multiply again by the ratio of rotor diameters. First note that the front pad is about 3.8cm wide and the rear is about 3.2cm wide so the front and rear EFFECTIVE rotor diameters become 276-(38/2)=257mm and 265-(32/3)=249mm. Then the braking torque ratio becomes 2.8*(257/249)=2.9. So, in stock form, the front brake apply 2.9 times the TORQUE to the wheels and since the wheels are the same diameter front/back we get 2.9 times the stopping force on the front as on the back.

Now, we can repeat with 3kgt front brakes on a 12" rotor (typical). The same calculation becomes (40.4^2+42.8^2)/(34.9^2)=2.84. That is, switching to 3kgt brakes has almost NO effect on the clamping force. This is good because it means we shouldn't have to worry about the master cylinder being able to keep up. But, if the rotor is also increased in size we get the torque ratio as 2.84*(285/249)=3.25. Here I have assumed similar pad size to get the effective rotor diameter as 304mm (12") - 38mm/2 = 285mm. So, the take home is that while OEM gvr4 have a 2.9:1 front/back braking ratio, a 3kgt front brake setup will increase this to about 3.25 (rotor size depending) which is roughly a 12% increase in forward bias. Unfortunately, while this means that the front brakes will handle track duty more effectively (better heat dissipation) it also means that you're more likely to lock up the rears, especially as you stiffen the suspension and decrease forward weight transfer.


belize1334
(well bread and nobly conceived)
11/01/10 12:40 PM
Re: '91-'93 3KGT VR4 4 pot Calipers Installed!

^^ Quick correction / addendum. Above I said that the rears would be more likely to lock up. This is obviously wrong... the fronts become more likely to lock up as the forward bias is increased. But, I also did a quick internet search for typical bias values in track cars. It seems that for tarmac alot of people like ~70/30 where for gravel people go more toward ~80/20 to avoid spin-outs on loose surfaces. The decimal values that I gave are equivalent to about 74/26 (GVR4) and 76.5/23.5 (3kgt front). So, while being potentially a little front heavy there's no reason to conclude unilaterally that this mod is TOO front heavy. We'll have to ask the One-Lap team for their opinion on that.


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