blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/07/04 08:52 PM
1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

1) ABS computer in the trunk (near antenna)
2) ABS sensor under center console (near the shifter)
3) ABS unit under the hood
4) ABS wheel sensors
5) Pull the fuses from the engine bay (Thanks, Hertz)
6) There's also a relay on the driver's side behind the panel below the hood release (thanks, dsmsleeper)

<will add more as mentioned>

Making a list of things I plan on pulling out...

Things I will need:

1)Actually, 92 AWD DSM's came with the smaller brakes. You'll need the 93-94 AWD, non-ABS valve.
(thanks, Jon - JoeC)
2)The Galant GSX front brake lines work perfectly under the hood. The rear ones do not need to be changed. You will not be able to find these new so you will have to find them in a yard.(Thanks, Jon)


Lets keep this post simple, no big discussions on proportioning valves and if ABS is good or bad, yadda yadda yadda. This is for archiving purposes.

There is some sort of sensor on the left corner of the trunk..is this ABS or fuel related? Not quite sure what this thing is...

Thanks!


HertzGalant VR4.org Administrator
(OneTitle to rule them all.)
03/07/04 09:06 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Pull the fuses from the engine bay.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/07/04 10:11 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

No new brake lines needed. Cut and flare the line that comes from the front passenger side right where it goes next to the prop valve. Thats where you'll connect it. For the driver's side, take the line thats connected to the caliper and bend it away from the ABS module, towards the master cylinder. You can carefully do all the bending by hand.

What I suggest you do is get a prop valve and the two brake lines that connect it to the MC, from a parts or junk car.

Mark


HertzGalant VR4.org Administrator
(OneTitle to rule them all.)
03/07/04 10:17 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Doesn't the ABS have some type of stepper motor? Is that your unidentified thing in the trunk?

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/07/04 10:25 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

can you post pictures KC? I want to pull my same stuff.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/07/04 11:18 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

If you want to go to the extreme you could remove the rear sensor gears from the shafts. Don’t know about the fronts. You might have put that under wheel sensors though.

Telecaster
(Senior Member)
03/07/04 11:47 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

So what do you do to get rid of the "Anti Lock" light in the guage? The previous owner disabled the abs but i don't know how he did it.

HertzGalant VR4.org Administrator
(OneTitle to rule them all.)
03/08/04 12:02 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Remove the bulb from the cluster. (Add that to your list KC, will save you about 5g)

blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 08:51 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Thanks all, I will post pics.

Pivvay - I will post pics this weekend as I dont have time during the week to do this. I planned on making seat measurements as well.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 09:01 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

thanks KC. I have seat measurements as well so i'd like to compare them. I'm not sure my car is "correct" since it was in an accident.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 09:34 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

There is some sort of sensor on the left corner of the trunk..is this ABS or fuel related? Not quite sure what this thing is...

1991 AWD/ABS galants had 2 G-sensors:1 under center console and 1 in the trunk.
1992 AWD/ABS galants have just 1 under center console.

Another difference between 91 and 92 to add


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 10:13 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Thanks, Cruce! I shall pull that sucka out as well...

One concern, Pulling this stuff out shouldnt affect the datalogger should it ? [Idea]


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 11:55 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

No...and if you pull out the right stuff, you won't have to pull the ABS light bulb either.

Mark


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 11:57 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Mark - what do you mean, Sir? Please let me in on what I need to pull. I figured pulling the brain would be enough? Thanks!

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 12:01 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

There's also a relay on the driver's side behind the panel below the hood release.

JonGalant VR4.org Administrator
(Administrator)
03/08/04 12:05 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

* Use a prop valve from a 92-94 Eclipse GSX as it is came with big brakes.
* The Galant GSX front brake lines work perfectly under the hood. The rear ones do not need to be changed. You will not be able to find these new so you will have to find them in a yard.


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 12:11 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

quote:
If you want to go to the extreme you could remove the rear sensor gears from the shafts. Don’t know about the fronts. You might have put that under wheel sensors though.

Ryan - Since I dunno much, is this something in the rear diff (you mention Shafts) [Confused]

GVR-4
(Creative Name Huh?)
03/08/04 12:45 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

I think he means the "gear" that the wheel sensor reads to determine the wheel speed. I think it can be pulled off the hub (or whatever it's pressed onto).

blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 01:07 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Ok, I read too far into that. Yep, I meant ABS sensors when I said that. Thanks Ryan and GVR-4!

joec
(or maybe lick the biss)
03/08/04 01:24 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

quote:
Originally posted by blacksheep:

1)Use a prop valve from a 92-94 Eclipse GSX as it is came with big brakes. (thanks, Jon)

Actually, 92 AWD DSM's came with the smaller brakes. You'll need the 93-94 AWD, non-ABS valve.

blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 02:04 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

I think it was something like cars produced after May of 1992. But, to be safe, I will say 93. Thanks!

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 02:15 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Once power via fuse is removed, the ABS light shouldn't light. I removed my fuses long before I ever removed the actual ABS. I also disconnected all the plugs at the ABS pump.

I used a prop valve from a 92 AWD TEL. You can use pretty much any non abs prop valve and it'll be better than stock. Get the two brake lines that go with from it to the MC from the same car. If you really want to change out front brake lines (going to calipers), go for it, but its a waste of time...

Mark


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 02:48 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

When I checked with the dealer, the front lines are NLA for non-ABS, so either a junkyard or custom lines would be the way to go.

Else, braided SS lines for the super bling effect [Applause]


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 02:53 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

i want the junkyard prop and lines. Someone go pull them so I can buy them off you so I don't have to track them down myself <----lazy

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/08/04 03:41 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Lots of people are parting out 1gs. The only trick is getting them to carefully box the two brake lines such that they aren't bent.

And KC, the front brake lines I'm talking about are the hard brake lines. Read what I said above, again...foo. [Smile]

Mark


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 03:54 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Mark - Why couldnt one replace those lines with SS lines.... [Jaw Drop]

V8EATER
(still thinking pink)
03/08/04 05:40 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

I just did this to my car a month ago, and I like everything about it! More room under the hood, and less complicated brake lines. Agreed, it is a bit tricky to get to the proportioning valve, but I feel all is worth it due to pedal feel, and braking response. I reused my old brake lines that went to the front wheels, and modified them to go from the master cylinder to the proportioning valve, I just used a flaring tool and a brake tubing bender to modify the lines. I got the p/v to wheels lines from a talon. oddly enough, they are the same size. I had NO fitment problems with these. My proportioning valve is junkyard fresh, and I got it from a 93 fwd, due to the vfaq chart not showing a big difference between the awd and fwd. I find no problem, and front end dive is much less apparent.
TIP: Spray down all the fittings down with penetrant a couple days in advance. this will save you lots of skinned knuckles and stripped fittings.

Pivvay (and all others):

I can get the proportioning valves for you. PM me for details.


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/08/04 05:44 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

You have PM, Andy!

blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/13/04 05:32 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

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blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/13/04 05:33 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Pivvay and others - Hope this helps !

1) That black thingy attached to the body is hard-wired into the main harness and was not connected to ABS brain in any way. Anyone know what it is ? I wonder if this thing is fuel pump related [Confused]

2) There is a plug on the harness that seems to terminate into a black connection. I can post a pic...I wonder if this was for amplifier plug for the gvr4's that had them [Confused]


HertzGalant VR4.org Administrator
(OneTitle to rule them all.)
03/14/04 01:08 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Is that black thing the takeup for the power antenna?

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/14/04 08:56 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

The take up for the power antenna is shaped kind of like a snail. IT looks very similar to power window motor.

The other rectangular box behind all that mess is a vent of some sort. If you stick your hand up there, you can feel rubber flaper thingy inside.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/14/04 03:44 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

That weird connector in the harness is a resistor of some sort. It has 1W 820ohm stamped on it. There is also a much smaller similar looking piece wired into the relay below the hood release.

Right now I am trying to remove the wiring for the ABS. I have had the ABS disconected since a bad wheel sensor almost caused me to hit a tree.

I thought a could just disconect everything form both ends and seperate the wires. 3 1/2 hours later, and this has not been the case. It's an absolute mess in there by the time you get up to the fuse box. There is no good way to seperate these wires. I think you must cut the wires at the ABS computer and pull them through one by one. Then cut them at the other end to clean it up.

It's not at all the way I want to do this. Trust me though. I have my dash removed and the fuse box pulled so I can get to everything. The carpet is out and so are the seats. Some of the wires are actually crimped together and tangled up with other wires. There are some blue with silver ring wires up front that do this. There is another set in the rear too. I really think they are crimped together after the entire harness has been installed. Those ABS wires go everywhere.

I guess it doesn't help that I am trying to remove the mouse trap wires at the same time
At least some of the wires are a decent gauge. The could be reused for another project.
I will see if I can snag the camera from work. You gotta see this mess to believe it.

My back hurts, I'm done for now.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/14/04 09:13 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

very interested in those pictures. i'm planning on doing the same thing.

HertzGalant VR4.org Administrator
(OneTitle to rule them all.)
03/14/04 11:20 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

I can't stand the peer pressure -- you guys are making me work on my car. [Big Grin] I've been driving around without ABS (pulled fuse) for half a year (same scenario: almost wrecked because of the ABS)... I might as well pull all that shit too. (right after KC tells me the right way to do it.) [Wink]

Lunar: take care of that back, I've had 6 chiropratic trips recently from a combination of shoveling snow, bending over the car, stress and getting a little too ambitious at the gym.


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/15/04 07:21 AM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Ok, I have done the following:

1) I have the ABS ECU removed
2) Two of the sensors removed (trunk and center console).
3) Fuses unplugged from auxillary fusebox on battery terminal. Removed seatbelt fuse as well coz I went JDM.
4) Unplugged the 3 plugs to the ABS unit

No ABS light. I am not gonna pull the wires coz that looks like a bear. I dont think that will that much of weight savings, honestly. I double sided that plug behind that aluminim support. I will pull the pump out once I have the lines and valve. Same for the wheel sensor units when I do suspension or bushings.

Can someone post a picture of the ABS relay near the ECU to pull/disconnect? Apparently, seat belts have one as well and I cannot find that either.

My back is all tore up, from bending in the trunk, under the hood, under the dash - I have been popping pills like Rush Limbaugh! [Big Grin]

Thanks!


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/15/04 05:44 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

I wanted to get the pictures tonight, but the battery in the camera at work was dead. Hopefully, I can snag it on Tuesday.

I have come up with a better approach, if anybody is interested. It still won't be easy. There is actually several places where some of the wires are spliced into a main wire. Most seem to connect to the door switches and then to the dome light, courtesy lights and trunk light. Think about it, and you will see how that alone is messy. The ABS and the sensors are wired in a similar matter in some cases. It would be easy to accidently cut the main lead instead of the wire you need. In some cases, they have very similar, or the same, markings. Wire thickness is nearly the identical too. You also have to deal with the wires for the power mirrors and seat belt switches. I don't even have a sun roof, so they may be in the mix somewhere.

It's definately a "while your in there" job. You must remove everything to do it. I am pulling the speaker wires to replace with a thicker gauge too.

Is it worth it? It all depends. Do you have a full day to spare? Have you removed the ABS and the mouse belts? Do you happen to have the trunk panels removed, the carpet pulled, all the seats gone, dash unbolted for access,the fuse and relay panel unbolted from the drivers kick panel. Do you have the desire to upgrade the wiring for your stereo? Are you already scraping up the sound deadening? DO YOU LIVE IN FRESNO?

If you can answer yes to all those, then go for it.

With that said, it has cleaned up the wiring. It looks much better. There are much fewer wires to sort through if you have any electrical problems. My car was striped down pretty good before I started, and I have been slowly working the tar off the floor for some time now. It is not a good weight reduction tactic. The wires from the ABS and belts up the firewall is all of 5lbs at present.

I will update you guys with a better approach when I'm done. In the mean time I will do my best to get some pictures.

Ya, it sucks to get your back out of wack. It's a good excuse for some sleepy dreamy pills though [Wink]


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/15/04 06:01 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Lunar - my car is in a similar state to yours except for the dash.

Can you please post pics of the ABS and seat belt relay stuff that needs removed from under the dash, please? I need to just remove these.

I dont wanna deal with hacking up all the wire, I wish I had the kahunas. I would do it your way if I knew more about the wiring and all and had the patience. [Jaw Drop]

Does the auto belts have 3 connectors that go up on the sides of both the pillars? I posted a pic in the tech section...

All my mousebelt hardware is gone.

I am upgrading speaker wire and am running 12 gauge to the door and rear deck from my amplifier but that will be on the floor under the carpet.

Great job! I am adding sound deadening to be honest. My car wont be a race car and a bigger turbo will be enough to compensate for the weight [Wink]


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/15/04 06:41 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Hey Blacksheep, think you could make this a sticky. I've done most of this but, might be helpful for others. Not to get off topic but, has anyone tried removing all the alarm stuff. I started removing sensors and stopped till I new if it's safe to do so.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/26/04 01:24 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

bump...can we still get those pictures of the relay's under the dash?

Also i'm going to have only one fuse in the main battery fusebox after this right (100 amp)? The 60 amp is already gone. Does that 20amp fuse run anything else besides the ABS?


blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
03/26/04 07:26 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

As far as I know, no. I have been driving the car in and out of my garage and around the block without the other fuses (only 100A). My battery did die recently and I put in a new one today, I hope thats not becoz of the fuses I removed. [Ugh]

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/27/04 05:03 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

If you cant find non abs Galant hard lines, you can also use non abs front hard lines out of a 1G, they fit pefectly.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
03/27/04 05:27 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

quote:
Originally posted by andy:
If you cant find non abs Galant hard lines, you can also use non abs front hard lines out of a 1G, they fit pefectly.

That is because they are the same part. I love the caps reverse lookup [Big Grin]

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
04/06/04 05:54 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

Under Dash relays.
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From Left to right:
#1(metal): No Clue
#2(plastic): Mechanical Locks (mine was replaced to fix the locks that never moved automatically)
#3(metal): No Clue
#4(plastic): No Clue

Notice a trend?


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
05/11/04 10:37 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

having done all this in the last few months, feel free to email me for any questions. i recommend tracing back as many wires from the abs ecu in the trunk down the passenger side of cabin, as far as possible, and removing. theres a hell of a lot of wires, going for several metres - bit of weight if your looking to save more.

JonGalant VR4.org Administrator
(Administrator)
08/24/04 07:20 PM
Re: 1991 gvr4 ABS stuff, please add to this...

quote:
Originally posted by josh91vr4:
Under Dash relays.
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From Left to right:
#1(metal): No Clue
#2(plastic): Mechanical Locks (mine was replaced to fix the locks that never moved automatically)
#3(metal): No Clue
#4(plastic): No Clue

Notice a trend?

Old picture from my old car taken by an old fart(me).
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