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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983199 posted 04/08/11 04:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i know most people go with AEM but im looking for something a little different/better than that. i have been eying the Autronic line for my needs. i have read a few post here with no one mentioning its a bad choice. i just wanted to openly discuss the major differences between AEM and Autronic for buying and performance.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983213 posted 04/08/11 05:47 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
if anyone has state side dealer info for Autronic please give it to me.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983218 posted 04/08/11 06:10 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Never heard of it, what about Haltech?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983220 posted 04/08/11 06:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
There's also Megasquirt on cheap side as another alternative.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983230 posted 04/08/11 06:56 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Vi-pec v88 is one of the best out there right now, It was created by Ray hall the guy who started Autronic but this is much more advanced than autronic.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983259 posted 04/08/11 08:13 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
whats the price on these?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983262 posted 04/08/11 08:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting FavNumber:

WTF is autronic?


autronic is a bad-ass standalone IMO makes others out there look like inferior toy computers. im not that good at explaining things as you can see so if someone would like to get a bit more technical than 'bad-ass' please chime in.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983273 posted 04/08/11 08:54 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
You might also consider an Evo8 ECU swap. It does the same as these stand alones and cost a fraction of the price...



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983274 posted 04/08/11 08:57 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Do any of the standalones have boost as an input to the control system?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983313 posted 04/08/11 10:48 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 524of1000:

You might also consider an Evo8 ECU swap. It does the same as these stand alones and cost a fraction of the price...


really? how does this work?

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983319 posted 04/08/11 10:53 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
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There are a couple of people running these already. I haven't got mine fully installed yet but I'm getting there.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983323 posted 04/08/11 11:03 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
definitive something to think about.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983574 posted 04/10/11 09:17 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting 524of1000:

You might also consider an Evo8 ECU swap. It does the same as these stand alones and cost a fraction of the price...




Ugh not quite While it is a good hack type mod it is very far from sems, Big difference and vi-pec is around 2k with 5 bar map sensor if I recall what I paid for mine and in all honesty v88 shits on everything out there right now including Autronic which is a bit old now so it does not have the ability to do things like the vi-pec such as self tune etc etc.

Aem is pure garbage and a stock evo 8 ecu is better than AEM.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983584 posted 04/10/11 12:25 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
AEM is not garbage.

Thats all.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983596 posted 04/10/11 01:44 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Yes it is complete garbage when compared to other options out there even megasquirt is better that AEM but AEM has better marketing so everyone thinks it is better and trust me it is not!



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983620 posted 04/10/11 03:19 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting thedsmguy:

AEM is not garbage.

Thats all.




This.
And I haven't heard of Autronic either, gunna have to look that one up. And I personally have had good result's with AEM.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983641 posted 04/10/11 04:07 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have a Megasquirt ECU, just need to figure out what car to put it on.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983647 posted 04/10/11 04:37 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I'm running an autronic sm4 here. All I can say is that this is one of the best ecus around. It has the ability to autotune and uses ve as opposed to ms for its fuel calculations. If you search youtube, you can see it in action. Remember this ecu is much older than Vipec, Haltech and AEM but is still on par with them today. Ray hall was not the creator, only a distributor of Autronic. Autronic also has knock control which retards cylinder by cylinder so you can maximise timing on each individual cylinder. Don't forget Motec either guys! Expensive but worth every penny.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983753 posted 04/10/11 10:11 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Not trying to be annoying by repeating my question, but do any of these use boost pressure as an input?



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Quoting 3rdstrikedsm:

Yes it is complete garbage when compared to other options out there even megasquirt is better that AEM but AEM has better marketing so everyone thinks it is better and trust me it is not!




What? How is AEM "garbage". You haven't even explained why but rather just shouting your opinion randomly.

In essence, for the majority of what people will use, anything that is a standalone will suffice. What separates them is their advanced features and user interface.

What makes me qualified to make this decision? I have owned a Motec M4 Pro, Motec M8 Pro, Haltech E6X, Microtech LT8, AEM EMS and Megasquirt. I tuned and set everything up. I never owned Vipec or Pro-EFI but have seen both and are pretty good. Also there are many things that people "claim" aren't capable when in fact they are if you know how to program it. That and everyone like to compare the AEM V1 which is VERY old to the newest ECUs that are coming out.

Here is a good example of why AEM and Pro-EFI can be considered above the rest. In supras, they are the only ECUs that can control the automatic transmission.

Here is a good example of why Motec can be considered above the rest. They offer some of the best telemetry available in the race world.

Now lets be 100% realistic here. If you are normal dude, you are going to need a tuner to do everything for you. Hence 80% of those fancy features, you wouldn't even use because it would require a crapload of tweaking that a normal tuner won't do unless you are willing to pay him for his time. If you an advanced tuner, more than likely you will shade towards an ECU that you are comfortable with and have learned their software.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983791 posted 04/10/11 11:46 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I have not dealt with AEM in years but a few years back their systems were not very good as it was just a modded honda standalone that they made plug and play for a lot of cars which took forever to crank and get fired up but I don't know much about the new ones so it may be better than the sems of the past but in my mind they tarnished their reputation and like I said before they spent big $$ on marketing.

I had pro efi in my supra and it was pretty good but not as good or capable as the v-88 from vi-pec and yea 90% of the people who feel they need sems would prolly be fine with AEM but for that 10% that demand the best there are far far better options.

To the op Megasquirt is a very good option with good cust support and it all depends what exactly you need sems for?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 983818 posted 04/11/11 01:08 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
A while back i heard good things about F.A.S.T.'s XFI sems. Can't say i've had any personal experience with it, but might be worth looking into.



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Check this out guys

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Autotuning in action on the AUTRONIC



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Quoting 3rdstrikedsm:

I have not dealt with AEM in years but a few years back their systems were not very good as it was just a modded honda standalone that they made plug and play for a lot of cars which took forever to crank and get fired up but I don't know much about the new ones so it may be better than the sems of the past but in my mind they tarnished their reputation and like I said before they spent big $$ on marketing.

I had pro efi in my supra and it was pretty good but not as good or capable as the v-88 from vi-pec and yea 90% of the people who feel they need sems would prolly be fine with AEM but for that 10% that demand the best there are far far better options.

To the op Megasquirt is a very good option with good cust support and it all depends what exactly you need sems for?




Where do you get your information from? It was just a retrofitted Civic Standalone EMS? Why? Because they released it for Hondas first and then realized there is a huge demand for a plug and play EMS? That is terrible logic and completely ignorant.

You know why they take forever to crank in AEM EMS? Because most people don't set the dwells correctly. It also doesn't help that the majority of timing setups on cars don't offer the resolution that most standalones would like to see. There is a guy that owned an AEM EMS and a triggerdisc and he can start in 3 cranks. So your argument is nullified.

And the PRO-EFI ecu is much more capable than your Vipec System sorry to say. Does your system offer automatic transmission control? Does your system offer flex fuel automatic switching system? Does your ecu offer two CAN channels?

Also if you want the BEST of the BEST, then you go Motec, hands down. End of story. I am sure John Reed and all the best tuners out there will tell you different *Sarcasm*



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Yes Aem was derived from a honda system and all of the sudden Vi-pec is my system? I suggest you do some searching of what v88 can do because I think you may referring to v44 and yes pro efi is very good but everybody has an opinion on sems systems.

There is a reason that a lot of the shops that used to use AEM do not use it anymore.



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