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Wiseco HD Pistons HIT the oil squirters...


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915940 posted 07/17/10 06:41 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
After instating the rotating assembly, I noticed that the pistons hit the squirters and deflect the tube. I will post a pic up soon. Anyone have an idea whats up here? Im going to call Wiesco in a couple hours to question. Looks like EVO squirter's could do the trick to fix it though. This problem is with the 1400HD pistons 0.020 over.



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Edited by bmod530 (07/17/10 11:32 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915943 posted 07/17/10 07:23 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Check it out...



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Edited by bmod530 (07/17/10 07:24 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915944 posted 07/17/10 07:49 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Bigger



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915949 posted 07/17/10 08:07 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
I didnt realize it was Saturday and there not "open"



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915964 posted 07/17/10 10:24 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
One thousandth of a millimeter? Or one thousandth of an inch? I know in internally rotating parts you don't need a huge amount of clearance, but I'm pretty sure you need more than 0.001". What part of the squirter do they get close to? The body? The little squirter tube itself?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915966 posted 07/17/10 10:27 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
i was not trying to give a specific measurement, just purely stating that it is VERY close. It almost hits the end of the tube, where the oil is to be "squirting" from. Its flush with the bottom of the piston.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915978 posted 07/17/10 11:20 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
***UPDATE The squirter actually hits the piston! After taking a closer look I was awestruck. Is there anyway I can clearance it by cutting down the oil squirter? Or should I just block em off?


Edited by bmod530 (07/17/10 11:21 AM)

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915986 posted 07/17/10 11:44 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
yes....so I would like to keep them.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915995 posted 07/17/10 12:30 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Can you bend the squirters? I thought I've heard of people doing that before. Maybe they didn't intend people using the squirters?



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 915996 posted 07/17/10 12:32 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My motor has Mahle pistons. When the motor was assembled, they were supposed to make sure the pistons wouldn't hit the squirters. When I dropped the pan, I found 2 broken squirters in the pan. I didn't feel like dealing with it so I just removed whatever was left in the pan and sealed up back up. I contemplated blocking them off, but again, I didn't feel like wrenching in such a tight spot.

I believe Smitty had to clearance his Mahles, too.

They can be bent around, just be careful not to bend them too much and break them.

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916017 posted 07/17/10 03:24 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just add an extra aluminum crush washer or a steel one sandwiched between two aluminum ones.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916038 posted 07/17/10 04:50 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting jepherz:

Can you bend the squirters? I thought I've heard of people doing that before. Maybe they didn't intend people using the squirters?




I feel like this would cause a weak point in the tube, and would be a *Stress riser.

Quoting 4thStroke:

My motor has Mahle pistons. When the motor was assembled, they were supposed to make sure the pistons wouldn't hit the squirters. When I dropped the pan, I found 2 broken squirters in the pan. I didn't feel like dealing with it so I just removed whatever was left in the pan and sealed up back up. I contemplated blocking them off, but again, I didn't feel like wrenching in such a tight spot.

I believe Smitty had to clearance his Mahles, too.

They can be bent around, just be careful not to bend them too much and break them.




Thats unfortunate, and exactly what I DON'T want to happen! Again i'm not sure I feel %100 comfortable bending the material (Steel or brass????) into plastic deformation.

Quoting GVR-4:

Just add an extra aluminum crush washer or a steel one sandwiched between two aluminum ones.




I like this idea because I have extra (used) washers. 1 or 2 extra washers and maybe a little off of the tip of the squirter might just do the trick.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916045 posted 07/17/10 05:41 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
NOTE: 2 Extra washers below the squirter will cause an interference with the crank and tube, and still does not have enough clearance to the pistons.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916113 posted 07/18/10 01:21 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
just cut a bit off of the tip and looks a little better now. supposedly a warning note from Wiseco says that the piston skirt will contact the oil squirter's. you need to re-adjust them and allow a minimum of .030 clearance between the skirt and the oil squirter.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916157 posted 07/18/10 12:27 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
When I built my engine I had one or two wiseco pistons that hit the squirters. I just bent the squirter a little to clear the piston. Have not had a problem in over 12k miles.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916161 posted 07/18/10 12:36 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Quoting bmod530:

Bigger





Your squirter is not positioned correctly.

It is supost to be angled to the center of the piston a little bit more. It should just clear the side a little so that it sprays the "cup" of the piston. Just CAREFULLY bend it so it clears the side of the piston web.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916278 posted 07/19/10 05:37 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just installed the new bent jets and it is good to go. Steve, i'm going to be driving up to Big Rapids in a month, your gonna have to check out #88/2000. I sold 1847 out here in California. Thanks everyone for the advice/info



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 916434 posted 07/19/10 08:34 PM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Here's a photo of one of my bone-stock oil squirters.


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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1123604 posted 05/15/13 11:29 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
To add to this thread we were building my motor the other night using Wiseco 10:5 HD pistons and they do hit the oil squirters. We are taking about 2mm off the tips and re drilling tip

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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1123609 posted 05/15/13 11:36 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
Just bend them out of the way.......

Way easier and faster.



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Galant VR-4 org Post #: 1123610 posted 05/15/13 11:38 AM     Remind Me!  Send Private Message   Edit Post      
My builder doesnt want to risk bending one and end up possibly weakening them. Since they are brazed/sodered on dont want to chance it

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They bend easy. I've bent several sets, no issues. You only need to move them a little bit.



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